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re: LSU gymnastics coach Jay Clark, entire staff staying after being pursued by Georgia
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:49 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:49 pm to saintsfan22
The main factor in whether a sport makes a profit or not is the TV contract. The WBB part of the SEC basketball contract is designated MBB. That will change for the next contract extension. When some of that MBB money is designated for WBB, that will help our WBB move toward an even split or at least a smaller deficit.
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:58 pm to ryanlsu
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Jay does not win this national championship without the facilities that DD got built. They are the best facilities in the nation and DD raised money, begged, pleaded, and raised more money to get them built. She was head coach for 3 years after we got them and came in second twice (being robbed by the judges in 2019 or she would have a championship). You don’t know what you are talking about.
What is the point you are trying to make here? None of that makes anything I said about DD untrue (outside of the 6,000 year exaggeration)...
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was the coach for 6,000 years and didn't win a championship. She did a good job and everyone knows she was a good coach and was good for LSU gym, but she coached forever and never won a natty. Jay wins one in less than 5 years.
I'm a big fan of her, and like I said, she was good for LSU gym. She is one of the greatest coaches in women's college gymnastics history. But she could never get the team to the pinnacle. Not unlike 99.9% of all college gym coaches. It's not easy to do, but Jay did it.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 3:15 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Well for one there was the part about being robbed of a title by the judges. A lot of people (not just LSU fans) felt that way. So that would be a national championship. There is the part of comparing apples to oranges. Jay would not have won this national title without the facilities that DD got built. And those three teams that got 2nd place in the nation were recruited with DD showing them drawings of what the facility would hopefully look like.
And I think it’s disingenuous to compare the two without pointing out the huge advantages Jay had because of DD. She built the fan base, she got the facilities built, and she never benefited from Oklahoma choking in a meet that LSU wasn’t even a part of. I fully believe that DD would have won a national championship if she had stayed 5 more years but she did what she thought was best for LSU. I also hope Jay stays until he wants to retire.
And I think it’s disingenuous to compare the two without pointing out the huge advantages Jay had because of DD. She built the fan base, she got the facilities built, and she never benefited from Oklahoma choking in a meet that LSU wasn’t even a part of. I fully believe that DD would have won a national championship if she had stayed 5 more years but she did what she thought was best for LSU. I also hope Jay stays until he wants to retire.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 3:18 pm to Tigerbait357
I hope Tbob give Aaron so much shite over this. Thats a bad look from UGA.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 4:39 pm to whoa
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UGA supposedly offered upwards of $2million which is insane for a gymnastics coach.
Over 4 years is what I understood.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 4:59 pm to Tigerbait357
Great news! 
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:06 pm to GumboPot
Wow, hard to beat an Alma mater. Figure he’ll go there eventually but it always looks weird to win and dip.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:15 pm to SPEEDY
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But we let Pat Henry go to the Aggies over money
That was 20 years ago with a different AD. Almost like using Joe Dean hiring Curley Hallman in 1991 to say LSU is cheap nowadays.
This AD spends money on coaches like a drunken sailor. For the most part, it’s been money well spent. Not true to say LSU loses people they want over money these days, especially using Skip Bertman letting Pat Henry walk after 2004 as an example.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:32 pm to secfballfan
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case and point
Case IN point.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 6:00 pm to ryanlsu
This is a completely ignorant statement. Not saying you are ignorant, merely this statement. Jay spearheaded thier new facility from START to FINISH. Jay pitched the idea to administration. He designed the building, he secured all the donor funding, he dealt with the contractors, and everything else. A -Z.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 6:49 pm to LSU4ea
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This is a completely ignorant statement. Not saying you are ignorant, merely this statement. Jay spearheaded thier new facility from START to FINISH. Jay pitched the
This is a completely lying statement. Not saying you are a liar… oh wait yes I am. Was Jay involved. Absolutely. Was DD asking for it and working on it before Jay even got here. Absolutely. Was DD the main person raising funds. Absolutely.
Some quotes about the facility so you can educate yourself…
When current athletic director Joe Alleva arrived in 2008, Breaux told him of her vision to build a world-class gymnastics training facility.
Breaux spent years raising millions in private donations, visiting practice facilities across the country to figure out what she wanted to include at LSU and what she didn’t. The facility finally opened in early 2016
Soon after, legendary U.S. Olympic gymnast Bart Conner visited while covering a meet at LSU. After having a look around at Breaux’s vision made real in brick and glass and steel, Conner declared the facility the best in the world.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:28 pm to ryanlsu
Look Ryan, I'm not here to discredit or bash DD, but simply to give credit where credit is due. Nor am I trying to engage in some sort of gymnastics pissing contest.
I have no doubt that DD probably asked JA for a first-class arena. But asking for and providing a clear action plan of how to get it done are two entirely different things. Of course DD raised money in the past. As does any HC of LSU, as it's literally in their job descriptions.
The historical fact though, is that Jay Clark absolutely spearheaded the vision and plan to get it done. Jay came from a program with 10 National championships. Jay recruited gymnasts for all 10 of those championships. He knew what it took to win championships. And to DD's credit, she hired him away from a Georgia. Jay was being undermined by Susanne, UGA's legendary 10-time NC Head Coach, who stayed involved after "retiring" as HC of the Gym-Dogs. DD hired him with the understanding that she would retire after a few years. So Jay was setting this program up to have quick success once he took over. He has a NC in year 4. DD was a good coach but never won a NC in 4+ decades.
There is no argument here. Stop discrediting Jay Clark's value and embrace what you now have. A winner, at the highest level. A program that now makes money. Enjoy it!
I have no doubt that DD probably asked JA for a first-class arena. But asking for and providing a clear action plan of how to get it done are two entirely different things. Of course DD raised money in the past. As does any HC of LSU, as it's literally in their job descriptions.
The historical fact though, is that Jay Clark absolutely spearheaded the vision and plan to get it done. Jay came from a program with 10 National championships. Jay recruited gymnasts for all 10 of those championships. He knew what it took to win championships. And to DD's credit, she hired him away from a Georgia. Jay was being undermined by Susanne, UGA's legendary 10-time NC Head Coach, who stayed involved after "retiring" as HC of the Gym-Dogs. DD hired him with the understanding that she would retire after a few years. So Jay was setting this program up to have quick success once he took over. He has a NC in year 4. DD was a good coach but never won a NC in 4+ decades.
There is no argument here. Stop discrediting Jay Clark's value and embrace what you now have. A winner, at the highest level. A program that now makes money. Enjoy it!
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:31 pm to Tigerbait357
What does the average college gymnastics coach make?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:26 pm to TigerBogue
quote:Skip Bertman......
I was thinking the same thing about Pat Henry; of course, that was with Skip as AD.
Cheaped Out with Henry.
Cheaped Out by hiring Smoke Laval.
ULTRA Cheaped Out with the new Alex Box.
ULTRA ULTRA CHEAPED OUT with the GOAT Nick Saban. He made no attempt to keep Wayne Huizenga from dragging Saban away to the Dolphins. "I'm not going to get into a bidding war with Wayne Huizenga over Nick Saban." (I remember Bertman making that statement like it was yesterday.)
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:59 pm to LSU4ea
Look whatever your name is, I love Jay Clark. I think he's the 2nd best coach in the nation behind Oklahoma's. I hope he retires at LSU and wins enough national championships to pass Georgia's record.
But what you are saying is just not true. Jay was still in high school when the girls for Georgia's first national championship were recruited and he didn't become an assistant coach at Georgia until after they had won their second national championship.
And I personally heard TAF members and Alleva talk about a best in the nation gymnastics facility in the pipeline before Jay ever left Georgia. Jay coached at Georgia in 2012. Ground was broken on the gymnastics facility in 2014 and TAF officials said the "specifications for the training center have been on the books for years". Nothing the TAF has ever done has happened from money committed, architects hired, designs made, and location picked in under two years. I also saw renderings of the building which look basically identical to what it ended up looking like from before Jay was here.
Jay is awesome. He recruited great talented girls at UGA and has done the same here at LSU. He helped elevate the program to new heights and finally got over the hump and won a national championship. His resume is great, there is no need to embellish it.
But what you are saying is just not true. Jay was still in high school when the girls for Georgia's first national championship were recruited and he didn't become an assistant coach at Georgia until after they had won their second national championship.
And I personally heard TAF members and Alleva talk about a best in the nation gymnastics facility in the pipeline before Jay ever left Georgia. Jay coached at Georgia in 2012. Ground was broken on the gymnastics facility in 2014 and TAF officials said the "specifications for the training center have been on the books for years". Nothing the TAF has ever done has happened from money committed, architects hired, designs made, and location picked in under two years. I also saw renderings of the building which look basically identical to what it ended up looking like from before Jay was here.
Jay is awesome. He recruited great talented girls at UGA and has done the same here at LSU. He helped elevate the program to new heights and finally got over the hump and won a national championship. His resume is great, there is no need to embellish it.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 5:39 am to ryanlsu
I don't understand why we are trying to EAT OUR OWN here. You guys want to get in a argument over DD and Jay. Why can't we agree that the creation of the team of the two back in 2012 was the leading factor in getting LSU where it is today.
DD was a great coach for 43 years and LSU would not be where it is without her. She still continues in her role as an ambassador for LSU leading fundraising and no one loves LSU more than DD.
Jay was an incredible addition to the program and we saw our attendance, recruiting, and success develop greatly after he arrived and the combination of Jay and DD went to work TOGETHER.
NOW, he has taken us to our 1st National Championship, but this success is bases off of the work the 2 of them did together. Along with countless others. Bob Moore, where woukd we be without Bob? Bob coached more National Champions on vault than anyone in history.
ACK(T) Look at the level of floor routines that she brought us to. Under her LSU became the most dynamic floor team in the nation.
The hiring of Garrett and Courtney after Bob and ACK stepped down.
Bringing Bugs back to LSU. Say what you want, but under her the team just set a school and National Finals record on beam to win by near 4 tenths after slightly trailing going into the 4th rotation
ALL of these things have lead us to where we are.
BUT as typical LSU fans we want to fight with each other about who gets the most credit.
I say credit goes to all. There are foundational building blocks that can never be discounted in every successful enterprise. One is no less important than the other.
Now continue to argue or not. I am just happy WE WON, OUR COACHES ARE STAYING, and We are building for the future.
DD was a great coach for 43 years and LSU would not be where it is without her. She still continues in her role as an ambassador for LSU leading fundraising and no one loves LSU more than DD.
Jay was an incredible addition to the program and we saw our attendance, recruiting, and success develop greatly after he arrived and the combination of Jay and DD went to work TOGETHER.
NOW, he has taken us to our 1st National Championship, but this success is bases off of the work the 2 of them did together. Along with countless others. Bob Moore, where woukd we be without Bob? Bob coached more National Champions on vault than anyone in history.
ACK(T) Look at the level of floor routines that she brought us to. Under her LSU became the most dynamic floor team in the nation.
The hiring of Garrett and Courtney after Bob and ACK stepped down.
Bringing Bugs back to LSU. Say what you want, but under her the team just set a school and National Finals record on beam to win by near 4 tenths after slightly trailing going into the 4th rotation
ALL of these things have lead us to where we are.
BUT as typical LSU fans we want to fight with each other about who gets the most credit.
I say credit goes to all. There are foundational building blocks that can never be discounted in every successful enterprise. One is no less important than the other.
Now continue to argue or not. I am just happy WE WON, OUR COACHES ARE STAYING, and We are building for the future.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 5:48 am
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:12 am to DC4LSU
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I don't understand why we are trying to EAT OUR OWN here. You guys want to get in a argument over DD and Jay. Why can't we agree that the creation of the team of the two back in 2012 was the leading factor in getting LSU where it is today.
DD was a great coach for 43 years and LSU would not be where it is without her. She still continues in her role as an ambassador for LSU leading fundraising and no one loves LSU more than DD.
Jay was an incredible addition to the program and we saw our attendance, recruiting, and success develop greatly after he arrived and the combination of Jay and DD went to work TOGETHER.
NOW, he has taken us to our 1st National Championship, but this success is bases off of the work the 2 of them did together. Along with countless others. Bob Moore, where woukd we be without Bob? Bob coached more National Champions on vault than anyone in history.
ACK(T) Look at the level of floor routines that she brought us to. Under her LSU became the most dynamic floor team in the nation.
The hiring of Garrett and Courtney after Bob and ACK stepped down.
Bringing Bugs back to LSU. Say what you want, but under her the team just set a school and National Finals record on beam to win by near 4 tenths after slightly trailing going into the 4th rotation
ALL of these things have lead us to where we are.
BUT as typical LSU fans we want to fight with each other about who gets the most credit.
I say credit goes to all. There are foundational building blocks that can never be discounted in every successful enterprise. One is no less important than the other.
Now continue to argue or not. I am just happy WE WON, OUR COACHES ARE STAYING, and We are building for the future.
Great post, not sure why someone would downvote this.
But I'm not sure why the other poster would take such big offense for me simply stating that DD never won a championship. I wasn't hating on her, I said in the post she was a great coach, then clarified even further that she was one of the greatest female gym coaches of all time. I was simply stating a fact, that can't be argued
I've been posting about LSU gym on this site for years, I don't think you could look back and find one post about me talking bad about DD. Certainly wasn't trying to turn an LSU gym thread into a typical football Rant thread. I'm still just beyond excited we won and just wanting to give Jay a lot of credit because as short as a year ago, there were plenty of real LSU gym fans that wanted Jay gone/didn't think he'd ever win a championship.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:19 am to DC4LSU
D-D built the trail, Jay followed it to the championship. Being from Georgia would be the only reason he'd go back to UGA, but after what he helped D-D build, and finally winning one, and seeing UGA kick him to the curb when he was head coach before, I don't see why he'd go back there.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 10:42 am to Tigerbait357
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and gnat actually did a great job this year.
I heard the exact same buzz around the program also.
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