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LSU D vs. Loaded Spread
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:10 am
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:10 am
Don't post often, but heard something on the radio yesterday in OKC that I wanted to share. Sorry if topic in general is germans.
I've lived in OK for seven years and Okies are still butt-hurt over 2003. Most hate LSU and Miles, and have an inferiority complex with them and the SEC unlike anything I have ever seen. They're also still BH (butt-hurt, not Brandon Harris) over the Big XII getting left out of the playoffs last year.
Anyway, they were touting Baylor yesterday (and their spread), and were calling it unstoppable. They said the spread has evolved to a point that even SEC defenses can no longer stop it. (I know, I know, but let me finish). They said that Baylor in particular is running a spread with fully loaded skilled position players at every aspect and that they can think of no one who will be able to stop it this year. Then they dropped LSU's name into the convo. Basically one broadcaster said "who will be able to stop it?! Can anyone in the SEC stop them? LSU can't stop them." The other broadcasters quickly agreed. I love how they always find away to work LSU into their convos. Of course many of them are reluctantly resigned to the fact that LSU will win the SEC.
Anyway, my point is not to spark rantards, though I recongize that this post will undoubtedly do that. But I'm curious to hear the rant's intelligible thoughts on how our defense would match up against a spread like Baylor's, etc. Personally, I say bring them on. Miles will keep their offense from getting the ball much, keep their defense on the field, wear them out with Fornette, chew up clock, and then (on defense) make sacs when necessary and use our backfield speed to bring havoc against their spread. But that's just my opinion.
Geaux Tigers.
I've lived in OK for seven years and Okies are still butt-hurt over 2003. Most hate LSU and Miles, and have an inferiority complex with them and the SEC unlike anything I have ever seen. They're also still BH (butt-hurt, not Brandon Harris) over the Big XII getting left out of the playoffs last year.
Anyway, they were touting Baylor yesterday (and their spread), and were calling it unstoppable. They said the spread has evolved to a point that even SEC defenses can no longer stop it. (I know, I know, but let me finish). They said that Baylor in particular is running a spread with fully loaded skilled position players at every aspect and that they can think of no one who will be able to stop it this year. Then they dropped LSU's name into the convo. Basically one broadcaster said "who will be able to stop it?! Can anyone in the SEC stop them? LSU can't stop them." The other broadcasters quickly agreed. I love how they always find away to work LSU into their convos. Of course many of them are reluctantly resigned to the fact that LSU will win the SEC.
Anyway, my point is not to spark rantards, though I recongize that this post will undoubtedly do that. But I'm curious to hear the rant's intelligible thoughts on how our defense would match up against a spread like Baylor's, etc. Personally, I say bring them on. Miles will keep their offense from getting the ball much, keep their defense on the field, wear them out with Fornette, chew up clock, and then (on defense) make sacs when necessary and use our backfield speed to bring havoc against their spread. But that's just my opinion.
Geaux Tigers.
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Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:14 am to jbraua
We won't need to worry about bringing them on. One loss and they are probably out of the playoff.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:17 am to jbraua
Lowly Michigan St. didn't seem to have a problem hanging with them.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:18 am to easy money
a strong defensive line is key to stopping the spread. penetration into the backfield stops the spread cold. we are better, but not where we want to be.
our secondary is good. with the return of mills, we should have enough DB's to handle the receivers. Beckwith and Jones are strong in the middle.
question? can LSU score a lot of points? so far the answer is yes. these spread teams are not physical, generally. which means we will be able to run. Harris is coming along, taking one step forward every week.
hopefully, by week 7 or 8, he will be recognized as a real threat to read a defense and throw the ball downfield.
haven't seen Baylor this year. I'm sure they have a good team. I would look forward to the matchup.
our secondary is good. with the return of mills, we should have enough DB's to handle the receivers. Beckwith and Jones are strong in the middle.
question? can LSU score a lot of points? so far the answer is yes. these spread teams are not physical, generally. which means we will be able to run. Harris is coming along, taking one step forward every week.
hopefully, by week 7 or 8, he will be recognized as a real threat to read a defense and throw the ball downfield.
haven't seen Baylor this year. I'm sure they have a good team. I would look forward to the matchup.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:19 am to jbraua
If Baylor was in the SECW they'd just be another Arkansas.
Because they're in the Big XII, they get to take a team with mostly marginal talent and dominate because almost no one has a desire to play strong defense (or recruit very well for that matter), not to mention Baylor never plays anyone OOC.
Because they're in the Big XII, they get to take a team with mostly marginal talent and dominate because almost no one has a desire to play strong defense (or recruit very well for that matter), not to mention Baylor never plays anyone OOC.
This post was edited on 9/29/15 at 10:21 am
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:19 am to jbraua
Baylor's offense can put points up on anyone but the defense let's just about anyone put up plenty of points. The one thing people don't realize about Baylor's spread is they run the ball more than they throw it. LSU has the type of athletes that would give BU's offense trouble, but they would still reach 35-40 points. Problem is could they keep LSU under that? The front 4 on defense are very solid but the LB's and especially the secondary are very vulnerable against good passers.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:20 am to jbraua
quote:What is this about?
Okies are still butt-hurt over 2003. Most hate LSU and Miles,
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:20 am to jbraua
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Okies are still butt-hurt over 2003.
Found myself (in LSU gear, naturally) at the Texas State Fair last year on the day of Texas-OU and can confirm they are still butt wounded.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:20 am to c on z
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Lowly Michigan St. didn't seem to have a problem hanging with them.
Yes, I agree, and that was also mentioned later in the broadcast, but another broadcaster replied that this year's Baylor offense is much better.
I also agree that someone will likely beat Baylor and knock them out of contention anyway. Either OU, TCU, or maybe Tech.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:22 am to double d
Maximizing TOP and scoring is the key to beating these types of teams.
10-15 play drives is how you beat that system
10-15 play drives is how you beat that system
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:22 am to c on z
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Lowly Michigan St.
Where did they finish last season compared to mighty LSU? MSU is going to beat OSU for the Big title this year, book it.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:25 am to jbraua
Yours is a educated mans opinion , Geaux Tigers !!!
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:29 am to jbraua
You stop any offense by winning the player on player matchups.
You stop the spread by having DL who win at the point of attack on the line of scrimmage, having DEs who contain the QB and collapse the pocket, having LBs that tackle crisply, CBs that can cover their WR, and Safeties that have good eye discipline and are athletic enough to cover and tackle crisply. LSU needs to improve in all 3 areas, but it is only game number 4 this week. I expect an LSU team that is good enough to win the SEC will be able to make Baylor punt more that Baylor can force LSU to punt.
You stop the spread by having DL who win at the point of attack on the line of scrimmage, having DEs who contain the QB and collapse the pocket, having LBs that tackle crisply, CBs that can cover their WR, and Safeties that have good eye discipline and are athletic enough to cover and tackle crisply. LSU needs to improve in all 3 areas, but it is only game number 4 this week. I expect an LSU team that is good enough to win the SEC will be able to make Baylor punt more that Baylor can force LSU to punt.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:31 am to jbraua
Probably better than any other type of offense.
We have a ton of talented DBs, and we have a fast and athletic front 7.
We have run a 4-2-5 for the majority of the last 3 games.
We would match up well.
We have a ton of talented DBs, and we have a fast and athletic front 7.
We have run a 4-2-5 for the majority of the last 3 games.
We would match up well.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:35 am to Silky Johnston
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Found myself (in LSU gear, naturally) at the Texas State Fair last year on the day of Texas-OU and can confirm they are still butt wounded.
Since I have lived here, I have had my car (with LSU decal) keyed twice and two LSU flags disappear from my house. Can't "confirm" these mysteries are related to open-butt-wounds, but they're probably related to butt-wounds.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:35 am to jbraua
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but another broadcaster replied that this year's Baylor offense is much better.
Biggest reason he probably says that is that Seth Russell is pretty fast and much more mobile than Brice Petty was. That and the fact that the offensive line is very big and are mostly seniors who have started for 2 or 3 years.
Russell throws a nice pass and has made good decisions for the most part. I got to watch the backup QB Jarret Stidham (true Fr) play 2 quarters Saturday, he has the potential to be even better than Petty or Russell.
This post was edited on 9/29/15 at 10:37 am
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:37 am to jbraua
First off, it is nice they mention LSU for a number of reasons. Secondly, there is no guarantee that the Tigers will win the West, let alone the SEC. They are capable to be sure, but....
Finally, this is just media hype to generate interest. LF7 is becoming a favorite for the Heisman (and the media) which will help LSU in ways that if he were not such, would not happen. That said, there is no way to know unless, if, when and whereas LSU faces Baylor this year. I did not think that OSU would handily beat 'Bama, but they did.
Finally, this is just media hype to generate interest. LF7 is becoming a favorite for the Heisman (and the media) which will help LSU in ways that if he were not such, would not happen. That said, there is no way to know unless, if, when and whereas LSU faces Baylor this year. I did not think that OSU would handily beat 'Bama, but they did.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:39 am to jbraua
Oklahoma sold their soul in 2002. They became a finesse passing team. Stoops and company got enamored with offense and passing the football. They did have a good year in 2003, altho the team didnt win any hardware at all.
Look where it has eventually gotten them. They cant win crap even with Texas down and A&M out of the league. Their philosophy change has allowed TCU and Baylor of all places to dominate their league. Leach was even on the move at Tech.
The same will happen to LSU and Bama if they go to the spread or throw it 30-40 times a game.
Chip Kelly said we are creative in offense because we dont have the athletes to run 42 dive. If we could run it down your throat we would. Paraphrasing here.
Fournette and the LSU D would pound Baylor and show the world its still about blocking and tackling. BTW, who has Baylor produced in the NFL that came into the league NFL ready.
Look where it has eventually gotten them. They cant win crap even with Texas down and A&M out of the league. Their philosophy change has allowed TCU and Baylor of all places to dominate their league. Leach was even on the move at Tech.
The same will happen to LSU and Bama if they go to the spread or throw it 30-40 times a game.
Chip Kelly said we are creative in offense because we dont have the athletes to run 42 dive. If we could run it down your throat we would. Paraphrasing here.
Fournette and the LSU D would pound Baylor and show the world its still about blocking and tackling. BTW, who has Baylor produced in the NFL that came into the league NFL ready.
This post was edited on 9/29/15 at 10:40 am
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:40 am to stephendomalley
Excellent post,Stephen !
Posted on 9/29/15 at 11:22 am to jbraua
I don't know the nuances of spread offenses. Of course, the basic premise of any spread is to position offensive players on the field during each play so that defenders are stretched thin vertically and/or horizontally... giving offensive playmakers better odds to make plays in space against a single defender.
Baylor may run some plays that combine routes in unusual ways that puts more pressure on DBs... or maybe they just go five wide on every play. In any case, there's nothing new under the sun and I doubt they're doing something all that different from what Leach, Mumme, Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly/Helfrich, Rich Rodriguez and others have done. Most likely, they're just lucky enough to have the right combo of players (QB, WRs, RBs and OL) who have good chemistry this year and they're all executing well. That's it. Just look at what the absence of Mariotta... and probably a few other players... has done to Oregon this year.
As to whether LSU could stop it or not... maybe. Again, it's a matter of execution above all else. If LSU plans well and the players play their assignments well, they should be in a position to break up some pass plays, force some punts and maybe even a turnover or two. If they do that-- and if they tackle well(!!!), LSU can win.
Really, I could see it playing out like the Miss. St. game. If they can get to the QB and be disruptive like they were in the first half of that game, LSU's defense can slow down Baylor. If not, I can see Baylor getting in a rhythm the way Ms St did in the second half, and they'll dink and dunk their way down the field 5-10 yards a play if we're playing the deep routes well.
I haven't seen Baylor play, but from what I've seen of LSU, if LSU plays well, they can probably hold Baylor to anywhere from 7 to 17 points in the first half. I would expect Baylor to have more success in the second half. If LSU plays like they did against Miss. St., giving up short gains and limiting big plays, Baylor won't drop 70 points on LSU, but might get another 20-30 points in the 2nd half, which suggests they might score anywhere from 27 to 47 points in the game.
The question then becomes: Would LSU be able to put up at least 30-50 points up to stay ahead? If all goes well, 30 shouldn't be a problem. If it's a shootout going well into the 40s, Baylor's chances are better.
Baylor may run some plays that combine routes in unusual ways that puts more pressure on DBs... or maybe they just go five wide on every play. In any case, there's nothing new under the sun and I doubt they're doing something all that different from what Leach, Mumme, Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly/Helfrich, Rich Rodriguez and others have done. Most likely, they're just lucky enough to have the right combo of players (QB, WRs, RBs and OL) who have good chemistry this year and they're all executing well. That's it. Just look at what the absence of Mariotta... and probably a few other players... has done to Oregon this year.
As to whether LSU could stop it or not... maybe. Again, it's a matter of execution above all else. If LSU plans well and the players play their assignments well, they should be in a position to break up some pass plays, force some punts and maybe even a turnover or two. If they do that-- and if they tackle well(!!!), LSU can win.
Really, I could see it playing out like the Miss. St. game. If they can get to the QB and be disruptive like they were in the first half of that game, LSU's defense can slow down Baylor. If not, I can see Baylor getting in a rhythm the way Ms St did in the second half, and they'll dink and dunk their way down the field 5-10 yards a play if we're playing the deep routes well.
I haven't seen Baylor play, but from what I've seen of LSU, if LSU plays well, they can probably hold Baylor to anywhere from 7 to 17 points in the first half. I would expect Baylor to have more success in the second half. If LSU plays like they did against Miss. St., giving up short gains and limiting big plays, Baylor won't drop 70 points on LSU, but might get another 20-30 points in the 2nd half, which suggests they might score anywhere from 27 to 47 points in the game.
The question then becomes: Would LSU be able to put up at least 30-50 points up to stay ahead? If all goes well, 30 shouldn't be a problem. If it's a shootout going well into the 40s, Baylor's chances are better.
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