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re: LSU Basketball with #1 Hardest SoS in conference
Posted on 2/13/12 at 3:06 pm to RollTigers
Posted on 2/13/12 at 3:06 pm to RollTigers
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Anyways, you ignored my entire point of the rest of my post.
Which was?
Team A might beat Team B in a game?
Rutgers beat Florida, therefore every team in the Big East is better than every team in the SEC?
Tennessee beat UConn, therefore every team in the SEC is better than the Big East?
If only there was a way to sort all this out, and TELL us which conferences were better.
Like, if they used computers or something.
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Posted on 2/13/12 at 3:12 pm to BayouWolf
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Alabama: #32
Lol no committee not NCAA nor NIT is gonna count a W vs a team without 4 starters as a quality win.
Come on!
Posted on 2/13/12 at 3:14 pm to Sheep
So computer rankings are the only ones which are valid? How about the selection committee - if they don't go by Sagarin, are they idiots?
Do you not understand that if one conference has better teams than another conference that it is generally acknowledged as "the better conference?" Are you really so oblivious to the entire idea behind claiming which conferences are the best, or which conferences are better than others?
You basically just said that it doesn't matter which teams are better - that that isn't related to which conference is better. Are you failing to understand the entire idea behind conference power rankings?
This post was edited on 2/13/12 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 2/13/12 at 3:27 pm to RollTigers
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2 UF v 2 UNC
3 MSST v 3 FSU
4 Vandy v UVA
5 UT v NC ST
6 LSU v Miami
7 ARK v MD
8 Bama v Clemson
9 UGA v VT
10 OM v BC
11 AU v GT
12 USC v Wake
If you don't see a lot of ACC wins on that matchup list, I don't know what to tell you. I think ACC would be favored in ~9 of those games. Maybe 8 or maybe 10, but around there. Only clear SEC favorites I see are KY, Bama if they get their team back, and Arkansas if they're at home.
YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!!
1. Kentucky crushes my dukies
2. UNC gets the edge
3. This one a push even tho MSST has more talent
4. Vandy all day
5. Tennessee the better team
6. LSU the better team
7. Arkansas and it aint even close
8. Bama and it ain't even close
9. Push wit the edge 2 georgia for playing better late
10. Ole miss and it ain't even close
11. Auburn and it ain't even close
12. USC Horrible and they still the better team and it ain't even close lol!
Don't believe me than check the records or even recruiting and u will see. wake gt bc vt maryland nc st clemson tournament hopes finished.
lsu ole miss ark auburn alabama still have a chance 2 make the tourney so how do you figure the acc have the better teams besides your opinion?
Posted on 2/13/12 at 3:28 pm to RollTigers
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Do you not understand that if one conference has better teams than another conference that it is generally acknowledged as "the better conference?" Are you really so oblivious to the entire idea behind claiming which conferences are the best, or which conferences are better than others?
So, Larry's Eyeball Test Rankings?
Link?
Posted on 2/13/12 at 3:58 pm to Sheep
You have yet to make any kind of argument aside from posting links to computer rankings. Come back when you have the ability to make a point.
FSU = MSST in terms of talent; I've already looked up recruiting rankings and etc. FSU edge in how that talent has developed. FSU.
Virginia all day - they haven't had any confusingly bad losses like Vandy has and, while Vandy has played well down the stretch, I like Mike Scott's play for UVA a lot better. Even, at worst.
Tennessee is not the better team by any stretch of the imagination. NC St wipes the floor with UT.
LSU is not the better team. Why do you think that? Miami beat Duke. Not to give credence to the transitive property, but I don't think anyone thinks LSU could beat Duke. Miami has a better record and much better wins. ESPN's bracketology has Miami in the tournament, too, with LSU not even being in the first eight out. Edge Miami.
The Arkansas game would depend entirely on where it was. I give Arkansas 2:1 if it's at home, I give Maryland similar odds if it's away. ARK hasn't won an away game all year. That's the team you think wipes the floor with another team, presumably at a neutral site? You must be joking.
It depends on which Bama team they're playing with. The one that has all its players or the one that lost to LSU? I take MD by 20 if it's the one with all the suspensions, Bama by 10 if it isn't.
Neither UGA nor VT are impressive. Push.
Ole miss probably wins.
Auburn is improved over their disaster of last year but they're still an awful team. This year they're just an awful team who's managed to win some close games against other terrible teams. Push, at best. I'd favor GT.
Wake by 20, despite them being awful. The talent disparity here would be incredible.
The reason I think the teams are better is the superior talent even in the shitty teams in the ACC. Wake had a top 5 recruiting class a couple years ago, for example. FSU had a top ten. Ole Miss, LSU, Auburn, USC, UGA, etc don't get to that point very often, if all in the last several years. In addition, Tennessee, which has been pretty good under Pearl, is in transition and has taken a relative nosedive.
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1. Kentucky crushes my dukies 2. UNC gets the edge 3. This one a push even tho MSST has more talent 4. Vandy all day 5. Tennessee the better team 6. LSU the better team 7. Arkansas and it aint even close 8. Bama and it ain't even close 9. Push wit the edge 2 georgia for playing better late 10. Ole miss and it ain't even close 11. Auburn and it ain't even close 12. USC Horrible and they still the better team and it ain't even close lol!
FSU = MSST in terms of talent; I've already looked up recruiting rankings and etc. FSU edge in how that talent has developed. FSU.
Virginia all day - they haven't had any confusingly bad losses like Vandy has and, while Vandy has played well down the stretch, I like Mike Scott's play for UVA a lot better. Even, at worst.
Tennessee is not the better team by any stretch of the imagination. NC St wipes the floor with UT.
LSU is not the better team. Why do you think that? Miami beat Duke. Not to give credence to the transitive property, but I don't think anyone thinks LSU could beat Duke. Miami has a better record and much better wins. ESPN's bracketology has Miami in the tournament, too, with LSU not even being in the first eight out. Edge Miami.
The Arkansas game would depend entirely on where it was. I give Arkansas 2:1 if it's at home, I give Maryland similar odds if it's away. ARK hasn't won an away game all year. That's the team you think wipes the floor with another team, presumably at a neutral site? You must be joking.
It depends on which Bama team they're playing with. The one that has all its players or the one that lost to LSU? I take MD by 20 if it's the one with all the suspensions, Bama by 10 if it isn't.
Neither UGA nor VT are impressive. Push.
Ole miss probably wins.
Auburn is improved over their disaster of last year but they're still an awful team. This year they're just an awful team who's managed to win some close games against other terrible teams. Push, at best. I'd favor GT.
Wake by 20, despite them being awful. The talent disparity here would be incredible.
The reason I think the teams are better is the superior talent even in the shitty teams in the ACC. Wake had a top 5 recruiting class a couple years ago, for example. FSU had a top ten. Ole Miss, LSU, Auburn, USC, UGA, etc don't get to that point very often, if all in the last several years. In addition, Tennessee, which has been pretty good under Pearl, is in transition and has taken a relative nosedive.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 4:08 pm to RollTigers
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It depends on which Bama team they're playing with. The one that has all its players or the one that lost to LSU? I take MD by 20 if it's the one with all the suspensions, Bama by 10 if it isn't.
Alabama played Maryland in a pre-conference tournament this year and beat the dogs### out of them. And Alabama 8th in the league?? With their lineup against LSU yes, with even 2 of the 4 missing starters back h### no.
As for LSU, you guys are situated similarly to where Bama was at this point last year RPI wise. Alabama had an RPI in the 70s at this point last year and even got into the 60s in the RPI. The problem is that Alabama finished 12-4 in conference, beat Georgia TWICE in the last week of the season, and STILL got left out of the NCAA tourney while Georgia made it. All this due to the fact that Georgia entered the conference season with a relatively strong RPI and strong strength of schedule. I hate it, but RPI makes a huge difference to the committee. Vandy, Florida, Alabama, and Miss State (in that order) have the only real legitimate shots of getting into the NCAA tourney with a 9-7 or 8-8 SEC record given their strong RPIs.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 4:23 pm to RollTigers
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Come back when you have the ability to make a point.
Point: There's no way that the SEC is the fifth best conference.
Counterpoint: The computer rankings say that they're fourth, some say the SEC is third.
Counterpoint: Well, Florida St is probably better than Mississippi State, and I think Georgia Tech is better than South Carolina, but nobody really knows.
Show me something, anything (preferably from THIS season) else other than the computer rankings. I'd love to have a look.
Otherwise, you've made my point.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 4:40 pm to Sheep
Your entire argument is based on the logical fallacy called 'appeal to authority.'
What that means is that you think that computer ratings prove your point. You would agree, then, that Alabama was the third best college football team this year, after Oklahoma State and LSU? The computer ratings would say that - most of them by the same people who do the basketball ratings.
You're completely ignoring the base of the argument. If one conference's teams are better then that conference is better. You're denying that point entirely and trying to make this into an argument on the computer's terms. You're demanding scientific evidence supporting my contentions. Should I find a different computer ranking that disagrees with you? What would that prove, other than the unreliability of computers as a barometer of basketball ability?
What that means is that you think that computer ratings prove your point. You would agree, then, that Alabama was the third best college football team this year, after Oklahoma State and LSU? The computer ratings would say that - most of them by the same people who do the basketball ratings.
You're completely ignoring the base of the argument. If one conference's teams are better then that conference is better. You're denying that point entirely and trying to make this into an argument on the computer's terms. You're demanding scientific evidence supporting my contentions. Should I find a different computer ranking that disagrees with you? What would that prove, other than the unreliability of computers as a barometer of basketball ability?
Posted on 2/13/12 at 6:09 pm to RollTigers
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If one conference's teams are better then that conference is better.
According to who? You?
Do I trust the opinion of a guy (Jeff Sagarin) who FEEDS HIS FAMILY with this shite over some guy who may or may not have a job, and if he does, it probably does not involve college basketball?
Yes, I *do* trust his opinion more than "guy on the internet".
But, if I ever need to find out if anyone thinks Wake Forest can beat Kansas State, I'll know who to ask.
Like I said, until you show me something other than *your opinion* that says otherwise, I'll go with the guy who gets paid to do it.
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