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re: LSU Athletes on Gay Teammates - Alfred Blue Says All The Wrong Things
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:06 pm to lsuhunt555
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:06 pm to lsuhunt555
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have you EVER heard him speak?
Lol. Yes. Many times
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Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:06 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:Well, Blue doesnt want to play football with you. And since thats what he believes, you should accept it and not bash him for it. I am being sarcastic of course
How about this for why I know it's not a choice. I am gay. And I have known that since I was very young even though I tried to live a straight life for years. I was born gay dude. Back down and don't tell me otherwise. It's insulting.
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:07 pm to joeytiger
quote:dear lord dude
I could "choose" to be gay if I wanted to, it would not be enjoyable for me
quote:of course you did
I just spoke with my cousin
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:08 pm to Pilot Tiger
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ETA: also, 2 of my friends have said they wished they could be straight. They really want the wife, the kids, the house, etc. They just are not attracted to women at all
They can still have that. Two of my friends went to Florida and had a "union/gay marriage" and one of them was able to get pregnant from a donor and now they have twins. They are great parents and I am sure the kids will be happy.
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:09 pm to joeytiger
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I could "choose" to be gay if I wanted to, it would not be enjoyable for me, but I could "choose" to.
Just stop, dude.
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:12 pm to joeytiger
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I could "choose" to be gay if I wanted to, it would not be enjoyable for me, but I could "choose" to.
More likely you could choose to have homosexual sexual relations, but that wouldn't make you gay any more than a dark tan would make you black.
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:14 pm to lsu2006
I don't think there's anything you can say to help yourself period but that doesn't seem to stop you.
My point is that I don't buy that just because one engages in homosexual intercourse he has no "choice." There are obviously those that engage in heterosexual intercourse who "choose" to engage in homosexual intercourse in certain circumstances. These people were not "born" in such a way that they "must" engage in homosexual sex to function/thrive/be happy. What causes sexual orientation is complicated and not well-established one way or the other. We do have evidence, however, that it is at least a choice for some. I like to think that there is a lot of activity I would never engage in - cheating on my wife, drug or alcohol abuse, etc., but I'm also not so naive to think that I can't slide into some level of deprivation through a series of gradual, bad choice, especially if started when I was very young.
The reason why people are so quick to state that people who engage in homosexual conduct have no "choice" is that they hope to divorce any ethical or moral considerations from the calculation, short of mutual consent. Many people just don't agree with that and see intercouse as something more than just recreation or a biological release but it is deeply spiritual and necessarily linked to procreation. It is inappropriate to expect them to celebrate (which is really what is expected and not simply "tolerate") anything short of that vision - whether it be homosexual intercourse, sex outside of marriage, etc.
Now, this is a much more refined expression than what Blue said and I hope Blue apologizes for his comments. But I would be more upset if someone pressures or forces Blue to apologize because he took a boorish position that conflicts with the predominant cultural view on homosexuality.
My point is that I don't buy that just because one engages in homosexual intercourse he has no "choice." There are obviously those that engage in heterosexual intercourse who "choose" to engage in homosexual intercourse in certain circumstances. These people were not "born" in such a way that they "must" engage in homosexual sex to function/thrive/be happy. What causes sexual orientation is complicated and not well-established one way or the other. We do have evidence, however, that it is at least a choice for some. I like to think that there is a lot of activity I would never engage in - cheating on my wife, drug or alcohol abuse, etc., but I'm also not so naive to think that I can't slide into some level of deprivation through a series of gradual, bad choice, especially if started when I was very young.
The reason why people are so quick to state that people who engage in homosexual conduct have no "choice" is that they hope to divorce any ethical or moral considerations from the calculation, short of mutual consent. Many people just don't agree with that and see intercouse as something more than just recreation or a biological release but it is deeply spiritual and necessarily linked to procreation. It is inappropriate to expect them to celebrate (which is really what is expected and not simply "tolerate") anything short of that vision - whether it be homosexual intercourse, sex outside of marriage, etc.
Now, this is a much more refined expression than what Blue said and I hope Blue apologizes for his comments. But I would be more upset if someone pressures or forces Blue to apologize because he took a boorish position that conflicts with the predominant cultural view on homosexuality.
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:14 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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How about this for why I know it's not a choice. I am gay. And I have known that since I was very young even though I tried to live a straight life for years. I was born gay dude. Back down and don't tell me otherwise. It's insulting.
I did not mean to insult you. But just because you were born gay, does not mean all other gay people were born gay. Believe me or not, my cousin is a lesbian and she did tell me that it was a choice. It is an insult to her to deny that she chose to be gay and was not born gay. Why does it matter if you were born gay, or chose to be gay? Is it frounded upon if you chose to be gay and were not born gay? Does it make you any less of a person if you made that choice and were not born with it? That is insulting.
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:20 pm to joeytiger
Do you not get that the basis of most people's anti-gay remarks are because it's a choice and we shouldn't be treated "special" for making a choice. It's ignorant to "oppose" a lifestyle that someone is born with and has no control over.
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:20 pm to Manswers
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My point is that I don't buy that just because one engages in homosexual intercourse he has no "choice." There are obviously those that engage in heterosexual intercourse who "choose" to engage in homosexual intercourse in certain circumstances. These people were not "born" in such a way that they "must" engage in homosexual sex to function/thrive/be happy.
Well no shite.
Raping a guy in prison =/= gay, dumbass
This post was edited on 4/19/13 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:23 pm to DeathValley85
How is that the wrong thing to say? It's his opinion.
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:24 pm to Dupont3
quote:
How is that the wrong thing to say? It's his opinion.
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:27 pm to lsu2006
You just can't help yourself, can you? Now all you can do is name-call. You were the one who called the activity "prison rape", not me. I'm sure you did that just to try to marginalize my position.
So all of the sexual activity in prison is rape? What if it's not? I think at least some is not, and most would agree with me.
What makes consensual homosexual intercourse in prison not gay but consensual homosexual intercourse outside of prison gay?
So all of the sexual activity in prison is rape? What if it's not? I think at least some is not, and most would agree with me.
What makes consensual homosexual intercourse in prison not gay but consensual homosexual intercourse outside of prison gay?
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:31 pm to Manswers
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What makes consensual homosexual intercourse in prison not gay but consensual homosexual intercourse outside of prison gay?
Consentual homosexual intercourse is consentual homosexual intercourse no matter where it occurs.
But what I've gathered from your long-winded posts is that you believe any homosexual act or urge is a choice. Am I off-base there?
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:31 pm to Manswers
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What makes consensual homosexual intercourse in prison not gay but consensual homosexual intercourse outside of prison gay?
it's still homosexual but I assume the lack of females available is why prisoners turn to men to feed their sexual desire wouldn't you?
Jail has obvious extenuating circumstances we should stop using that to prove points
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:33 pm to LSU Red24
If you see Twitter right now, you would understand why you dont let that interview happen. National Media traction is beginning. Only bad things can come from it.
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:35 pm to massiveattack
I had a longterm girlfriend in high school that I found attractive and who I had sex with quite often. I lacked any deep romantic or emotional feelings toward her though. Same with every other girl I dated in my life. That's the difference in your jail scenario. These guys aren't becoming romanticly involved with each other.
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:35 pm to LSUTygerFan
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they asked a question and he answered it honestly. I don't have a problem with it.
I agree. Why bash him? Trust me, there are others feel the same way, I'm sure, but want to say what is "politically correct" versus their true feelings. You guys can be so mean on this board sometimes. I'm not going to stop liking Blue because he said what he did. Those are his feelings, get over yourselves!!
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:35 pm to DeathValley85
Boy is honest. Political correctness is BS but we all know why we have to do the CYA process. 
Posted on 4/19/13 at 1:37 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Do you not get that the basis of most people's anti-gay remarks are because it's a choice and we shouldn't be treated "special" for making a choice. It's ignorant to "oppose" a lifestyle that someone is born with and has no control over.
I completely agree with you, and said earlier that I could care less what gay people do, or if they get married. My two disagreements were:
1) People should not rag on Blue for making his comments about what he believes. It was probably not the best thing to say, but who cares. If a gay person said the equivalent I would give two shites. People are too sensative.
2) You can choose to be gay, not all are born gay.
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