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re: Let’s not let this get drug out again like Les…
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:41 am to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:41 am to Tiger Ryno
He's not going to resign although I think he might be fired mid season and they negotiate a lower buyout.
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:45 am to JPLSU1981
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Woodward has a plan, I’m confident in that.
Why is everyone so confident in Woodward at this point?
I understand O makes the hires, but he definitely has to run them by Woodward before they go official.
Woodward is also responsible for negotiating salaries for staff, which is something he has never been good at.
He made Bo Pelini the second highest paid assistant in the nation.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:46 am to Alt26
8-4?? More like 4-8
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:48 am to NolaTiger52
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Why is everyone so confident in Woodward at this point?
Because I put more stock in the hires Woodward actually, officially makes than whatever hypothetical input he has in O's assistant hires.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:48 am to NolaTiger52
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Why is everyone so confident in Woodward at this point?
He's made some really good hires in his career
A&M is having problems this year but I still think Jimbo is an elite coach
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:48 am to NolaTiger52
quote:The AD isn’t going to dictate football hires to the head coach beyond the reasonable/obvious HR type issues.
I understand O makes the hires, but he definitely has to run them by Woodward before they go official.
quote:Orgeron did that. Was he given too large of a budget? Maybe. But coming off of 2019 O held all the cards.
He made Bo Pelini the second highest paid assistant in the nation.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:51 am to MOT
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Orgeron did that
I really doubt that O is the one negotiating salaries, and if he is, that’s laughable. Dude can’t even speak English, yet he’s trusted with millions of dollars to throw away? Doubt it
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:52 am to NolaTiger52
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Why is everyone so confident in Woodward at this point?
Because he's got a pretty good track record.
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I understand O makes the hires, but he definitely has to run them by Woodward before they go official.
And? O is the expert, he is running the program, so how would it look if the AD starts squashing potential hires? The AD has to let the coach run the program or you wind-up with a different kind of mess on your hands.
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Woodward is also responsible for negotiating salaries for staff, which is something he has never been good at.
How so?
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He made Bo Pelini the second highest paid assistant in the nation.
And you're looking at this with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Just about everyone on here was thrilled with Bo coming back - nobody expected that abject failure.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:52 am to Lester Earl
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I guess the only thing you can’t fall in to is him playing himself back into grace.
"Back into grace" is kind of relative and, likely, depends on who else would be SERIOUSLY interested in the job. If you have the opportunity to get a new HC who seems like a "slam dunk" (similar to Kim Mulkey) then short of Orgeron running the table the rest of the way you pounce on that opportunity. But if the potential realistic candidates are multiple guys who still bring with them concerns that they can perform up to LSU's lofty expectations, then you have to consider are they better than an 8-4 (5-3) or 9-3 (6-2) Orgeron? Maybe.
While 8-4 and DEFINITELY 9-3 seems entirely unlikely right now, it's not completely off the table (UK, Florida, Ole Miss, Arkansas, A&M are all flawed team in one way or another). The AD can still quietly survey the landscape while letting the season play out. LSU isn't going to be a playoff team regardless of if they fire O now or at the end of the season. Firing a coach mid-season doesn't help you "get a jump" in finding the replacement. Hell, look no further than Tom Herman. He was "LSU's guy" for months...until he went to Texas 1-2 days after they fired Strong. So there is really no NEED to throw everything in flux other than to satiate the blood lust of angry fans
The AD needs to figure out what his reasonable expectations for the program are and if Orgeron is the guy capable of meeting them. It really is a strange juxtaposition. His first three years he was 34-7 with a NC in the greatest season in program history. Since, he's been an average to below average SEC HC. History says he is the below average HC we are seeing now. But history also show that with the right pieces in place he can be very successful.
I FULLY agree the program seems to be on a downward spiral with no end in sight right now...but that perception could look different by the end of the season.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:55 am to Alt26
I don’t think it’s relative at this point. The same way it shouldn’t have been with Miles in 2015. If you’re not the guy, you’re not the guy. LSU will always have the talent to make these games competitive.
The proof comes down to the process & not the results. And the process has been warped for 2 seasons now
The proof comes down to the process & not the results. And the process has been warped for 2 seasons now
Posted on 10/4/21 at 10:56 am to Alt26
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While 8-4 and DEFINITELY 9-3 seems entirely unlikely right now, it's not completely off the table (UK, Florida, Ole Miss, Arkansas, A&M are all flawed team in one way or another).
I won't be surprised if we win 1-2 of these but that's still like a 6-6 record
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:00 am to Lester Earl
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There is no reason to can him this early. There is a time to fire him to get out ahead of other teams that are looking for coaches. But Oct1 isn’t it. Maybe a month from now, at the earliest
Honestly this is a good point. If the LSU job is officially open, everyone else is ping to go into overdrive behind the scenes in locking up the quality candidates. Woody is no doubt already working on this quietly so that we are ready to go when he pulls the trigger. Only thing that worries me is the amount of money he’s going to force LSU to fork over. For the right guy, it’s great. For a Jimbo type of hire, not so much.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:27 am to Alt26
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While 8-4 and DEFINITELY 9-3 seems entirely unlikely right now, it's not completely off the table
Are you slow?
Posted on 10/4/21 at 11:56 am to NolaTiger52
quote:I mean he isn’t getting into contract specific details and language, but he’s absolutely the guy setting the general guidelines and important parameters like money and length of contract. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
I really doubt that O is the one negotiating salaries,
Posted on 10/4/21 at 12:42 pm to Alt26
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I think we can agree Alabama is the only team left against whom it looks like LSU has no shot.
no we all dont agree, very few are this optimistic and the reality is they may not win another game this year. THAT is the most likely thing to happen the rest of the season
getting rid of ed now may help allow his assistants, knowing they are auditioning for jobs here or elsewhere next year, to actually be free from the idiot in charge and make the changes they need to make to win an unexpected game or two
This post was edited on 10/4/21 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 10/4/21 at 12:43 pm to GeauxingDeep16
Get blown out by Kentucky i could see woody having no choice.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:29 pm to Alt26
quote:The table collapsed, fell through the floor, and is a pile of ashes in the basement after burning for hours.
While 8-4 and DEFINITELY 9-3 seems entirely unlikely right now, it's not completely off the table
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