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Lets get real regarding the football season
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:27 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:27 am
We struggled many times against some terrible teams - Eastern Michigan, Syracuse, Western Kentucky, USC, etc. This should have told you that our players aren't great, they are just good. As the majority of us thought in the beginning of the season, we are a 2 or 3 loss SEC team. I don't know why everyone is so surprised about losing to a great Bama team and a very big Arkansas team. We don't match up well with them.
Defense: The Chavis defense/personnel was built to stop the spread. We struggle against the power run. Steele and O will be recruiting their style of players and this will get better. The secondary has clearly under performed, but they are young.
Offense: O-line is very weak and I think players need to be shifted. Pocic at center is a big mistake. Pass protection needs to get better. If Harris has time he plays well. Everything else on the offense is solid. The O-line has killed execution.
Special team: This shows our lack of quality depth. Coverage has been abysmal, and returns have been hampered by not blocking gunners. Our players are being outplayed on special teams. Its not scheme here.
There can only be one champion and its not us this year and is shouldn't be us.Let's win these last two games and get to a decent bowl and recruit like hell.
Defense: The Chavis defense/personnel was built to stop the spread. We struggle against the power run. Steele and O will be recruiting their style of players and this will get better. The secondary has clearly under performed, but they are young.
Offense: O-line is very weak and I think players need to be shifted. Pocic at center is a big mistake. Pass protection needs to get better. If Harris has time he plays well. Everything else on the offense is solid. The O-line has killed execution.
Special team: This shows our lack of quality depth. Coverage has been abysmal, and returns have been hampered by not blocking gunners. Our players are being outplayed on special teams. Its not scheme here.
There can only be one champion and its not us this year and is shouldn't be us.Let's win these last two games and get to a decent bowl and recruit like hell.
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:30 am to LSUMurple
If we win the last 2 and the bowl then it's a "good" season no matter how you slice it, although admittedly the 2 game slide would be remembered more than anything else. les will be around for at least another 2 seasons.
Lose the last 2 games and it's a disaster of epic proportions, the first 4 game losing streak since 1999, and serious questions have to be asked about the future. I would argue a change should be made.
Split the last 2 and it's basically 2014 redux and Les goes into 2016 with a lot of pressure.
Lose the last 2 games and it's a disaster of epic proportions, the first 4 game losing streak since 1999, and serious questions have to be asked about the future. I would argue a change should be made.
Split the last 2 and it's basically 2014 redux and Les goes into 2016 with a lot of pressure.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:31 am to LSUMurple
Sounds like regurgitated information.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:33 am to LSUMurple
Same shite as last year. Time for a change at the very least after 2016.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:33 am to LSUMurple
this getting "real" is forced upon us because we were 7-0 and then got trounced the next two games. trounced, imo, means we never had a chance.
our offense seemed to be a "powerhouse" and was widely regarded as such by most nationally. then, one fricking injury to a FB of all things and it falls completely apart.
being "real" does not include being thouroghly embarrassed on TV twice in a row. by divisional opponents no less.
my definition of being real right now is that we were fooled into thinking we were a good team and have just learned we're down to aggie level and maybe lower. i'm sad, pissed and terribly disappointed and that anger is not directed towards the kids on the team. an offense does not fall apart when a FB gets hurt and a defense does not allow huge plays every game. not to mention a special teams that can't cover a punt or kick off.
our offense seemed to be a "powerhouse" and was widely regarded as such by most nationally. then, one fricking injury to a FB of all things and it falls completely apart.
being "real" does not include being thouroghly embarrassed on TV twice in a row. by divisional opponents no less.
my definition of being real right now is that we were fooled into thinking we were a good team and have just learned we're down to aggie level and maybe lower. i'm sad, pissed and terribly disappointed and that anger is not directed towards the kids on the team. an offense does not fall apart when a FB gets hurt and a defense does not allow huge plays every game. not to mention a special teams that can't cover a punt or kick off.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:35 am to LSUMurple
i don't find real fault with your analysis, except you miss the big flaw with this staff.
in this era of football you have to score points, which means you need to be able to pass the ball. this staff simply refuses to try and develop a passing game, because it means a young qb is going to make mistakes, and they can't stand that.
miles consistently fails to produce a decent offense.
you must have a dominating defense to play miles football, which we also haven't had in 4 years, and there isn't one in sight in the near future.
many frustratings.
in this era of football you have to score points, which means you need to be able to pass the ball. this staff simply refuses to try and develop a passing game, because it means a young qb is going to make mistakes, and they can't stand that.
miles consistently fails to produce a decent offense.
you must have a dominating defense to play miles football, which we also haven't had in 4 years, and there isn't one in sight in the near future.
many frustratings.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:51 am to LSU GrandDad
quote:
we were fooled into thinking we were a good team
No you weren't. Did you watch the Syracuse and Eastern Michigan games? Nobody fooled you except yourself. This is my point. The proof is in the pudding. If you struggle at all against teams like these... you aren't a powerhouse and you wont content for a championship. Th
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:59 am to LSUMurple
quote:
O-line is very weak
Funny how they didn't look weak until the Bama game
Everyone was calling this the best O line in the country let alone the SEC
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:15 am to LSUMurple
quote:I'll admit it, I saw reason for concern but LET MYSELF BE FOOLED.
quote:
we were fooled into thinking we were a good team
No you weren't. Did you watch the Syracuse and Eastern Michigan games? Nobody fooled you except yourself. This is my point. The proof is in the pudding. If you struggle at all against teams like these... you aren't a powerhouse and you wont content for a championship. Th
At some point I should have realized the "always play down to level of competition" is not true, it was/is a mask for real issues.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:21 am to LSU GrandDad
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not to mention a special teams that can't cover a punt or kick off.
and probably one of the worst damn punters and kickers I'ver ever seen. When the punter does kick one further than 25 yrds its a bullet that gets returned 25 yrds. No kickoff coverage can get downfield for a linedrive. He has 0 hangtime. Then the kickoff guys(s) cant get it past the 10 yrd line + 25 yrd return= net starting position of the 35 yrd line. 2-3 quick plays and the opposing team's in fg position at a minimum. It's that simple.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:28 am to Powerman
quote:
Funny how they didn't look weak until the Bama game
Because they didn't play anyone with a half decent D-Line until the Bama game.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:31 am to LSUMurple
Is your point we should not have been 7-0 in the first place and it's ok to get bitch slapped 2 weeks in a row?
This coming off a 5 loss season last year?
Damn how low are your expectations?
This coming off a 5 loss season last year?
Damn how low are your expectations?
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:32 am to I20goon
I think a very realistic scenario is that Cameron isn't renewed, and Frank gets promoted to OC to keep him in the fold another year and salvage this recruiting class. This buys Miles another year and mitigates the risk of bringing in another guy and taking a hit on this class.
I think Peveto getting fired is a foregone conclusion at this point. If the season progresses on its current track, heads have to roll. Cameron's is the easiest since his contract is up, and promoting from within will save money on this currently overpriced staff. But as poor as the offense has been the last 2 weeks, Peveto is the most glaring problem, and the most necessary sacrifice for Miles.
Despite the issues on defense, that is where most of the strength of this recruiting class resides. I don't see Miles throwing Steele over and jeopardizing that at this point. If he did (BIG if), I think we would see Orgeron promoted, because there is NO way you could lose both those guys in one year.
Another potential scenario on defense would be, if someone comes hard after O with a DC or possibly a head coaching position, it wouldn't be a bad idea for Miles to make a tough choice and try keep the guy with more upside happy. Throw Steele over to keep Orgeron and more of our defensive class in place.
All of these potential moves outside of replacing Peveto are risky (I think any poster on the Rant would be an upgrade as STC). We have no clue what Frank and O would look like as SEC Coordinators, but 8 if we end up with fewer than 9 wins after a 7-0 start, changes are going to be demanded. This could keep the class in place and work out. If not, at least the table will be pretty well set for the next guy in the door. This class is good enough and necessary on the defensive side to warrant keeping part of this staff in place, no matter what.
I think Peveto getting fired is a foregone conclusion at this point. If the season progresses on its current track, heads have to roll. Cameron's is the easiest since his contract is up, and promoting from within will save money on this currently overpriced staff. But as poor as the offense has been the last 2 weeks, Peveto is the most glaring problem, and the most necessary sacrifice for Miles.
Despite the issues on defense, that is where most of the strength of this recruiting class resides. I don't see Miles throwing Steele over and jeopardizing that at this point. If he did (BIG if), I think we would see Orgeron promoted, because there is NO way you could lose both those guys in one year.
Another potential scenario on defense would be, if someone comes hard after O with a DC or possibly a head coaching position, it wouldn't be a bad idea for Miles to make a tough choice and try keep the guy with more upside happy. Throw Steele over to keep Orgeron and more of our defensive class in place.
All of these potential moves outside of replacing Peveto are risky (I think any poster on the Rant would be an upgrade as STC). We have no clue what Frank and O would look like as SEC Coordinators, but 8 if we end up with fewer than 9 wins after a 7-0 start, changes are going to be demanded. This could keep the class in place and work out. If not, at least the table will be pretty well set for the next guy in the door. This class is good enough and necessary on the defensive side to warrant keeping part of this staff in place, no matter what.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 10:33 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:43 am to LSUMurple
How simple is a kickoff?
Now ask yourself how many games this year have we had a kickoff go out of bounds.
I know the strategy is to pin the returner in the corner between the goal line and the 5 yard line to minimize return yardage.
Now ask yourself why we haven't made a change in strategy since we obviously don't have the personnel to consistently kick the ball in this manner.
Now ask yourself where you would rank LSU on a national level in terms of team speed. I would say at least top 5, but lets just go with top 10 fort eh sake of argument.
Now ask yourself how much advantage does a team with so much team speed really need to cover kickoffs and is it worth taking a momentum killing penalty every single game trying to achieve this objective when you don't have the personnel.
Now ask yourself what does this prove?
It proves that our coaches, once committed to strategy, cannot make an adjustment to overcome it when that strategy is obviously failing.
This is a microcosm of the entire Les Miles tenure and can be applied to many other phases of his overall philosophy.
Now ask yourself how many games this year have we had a kickoff go out of bounds.
I know the strategy is to pin the returner in the corner between the goal line and the 5 yard line to minimize return yardage.
Now ask yourself why we haven't made a change in strategy since we obviously don't have the personnel to consistently kick the ball in this manner.
Now ask yourself where you would rank LSU on a national level in terms of team speed. I would say at least top 5, but lets just go with top 10 fort eh sake of argument.
Now ask yourself how much advantage does a team with so much team speed really need to cover kickoffs and is it worth taking a momentum killing penalty every single game trying to achieve this objective when you don't have the personnel.
Now ask yourself what does this prove?
It proves that our coaches, once committed to strategy, cannot make an adjustment to overcome it when that strategy is obviously failing.
This is a microcosm of the entire Les Miles tenure and can be applied to many other phases of his overall philosophy.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:49 am to misey94
The problem I see with what you are saying is Miles doesn't fire anyone.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:49 am to Tiger Vision
You are asking me to ask myself a little too much. But I do agree with you all points.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:56 am to misey94
Just curious as to how many really think Miles' job is in trouble. On Tiger Talk yesterday, the conversation was pretty derogatory towards him, and it sounded like the dissatisfaction was big from the top. They didn't come out and say it, but alluded that the line had been drawn at 2 losses out of the last 3 games could NOT be crossed. Don't know how much to take out of that, but Bart Schmolke and Derek Ponamsky do rub shoulders with a lot of people in the know.
I know this has been beat to death and didn't want to start another thread, but if that's the case it's not looking too good for Corch. Do you think they meant he would have to make some drastic changes (Cameron, BDP, etc), or that the top will be replaced? Ole Piss would love nothing more than to kick him while he's down.
I hope the team can come out on fire for their coach btw, but don't look for many changes in the game plan.
I know this has been beat to death and didn't want to start another thread, but if that's the case it's not looking too good for Corch. Do you think they meant he would have to make some drastic changes (Cameron, BDP, etc), or that the top will be replaced? Ole Piss would love nothing more than to kick him while he's down.
I hope the team can come out on fire for their coach btw, but don't look for many changes in the game plan.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:57 am to LSUMurple
When you got 5 stars on the bench you got plenty of talent to beat Arkansas
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:07 am to LSUMurple
quote:You should rethink that.
There can only be one champion
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:12 am to Draconian Sanctions
We used to put starters on kick off coverage. Bama does the same thing now and their coverage is great. Now we're using 2nd and 3rd string guys for fear of injury. We have the wrong personnel on kick off and punt coverages
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