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re: Les Miles did the right thing...
Posted on 8/11/12 at 3:08 pm to MOT
Posted on 8/11/12 at 3:08 pm to MOT
The NCAA mandates that every school have some policy that tests student athletes. How that policy is administered is up to the institution. The "consequences" that we keep seeing posted are not always hard and fast rules. They are more like guidelines. Les could have fought for TM7 to stay on the team, but my gut tells me he had already done so a couple times.
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 3:08 pm to BamaScoop
quote:The comparison was made because both of them have shown that a star player won't stop them from strict discipline. Miles with Tyrann Mathieu, and Chizik with Mike Dyer. I commend both of them for making the right decisions.
Nice post but comparing Chizic to Miles is like comparing Auburn to Alabama.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 3:17 pm to Jaketigger
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But it is a university policy for that subset of students. All schools have programs because certain drugs are pe's. They are amateur athletes after all.
So it is the athletic department, not the "University".
Posted on 8/11/12 at 3:25 pm to Tiger in NY
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They are more like guidelines. Les could have fought for TM7 to stay on the team, but my gut tells me he had already done so a couple times.
Exactly. It isn't a case where the University tests because the University has a policy. The athletic department has a testing program and rules because they are part of the NCAA. This stuff about him being thrown out of school and it being out of Miles' hands is overblown.
It was an athletic department deal, just like the athletic department has a compliance department to ensure NCAA rules and bylaws are being adhered to. As we've seen numerous times, some schools/programs take compliance more seriously than others.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 3:34 pm to MOT
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MOT Les Miles did the right thing... quote: They are more like guidelines. Les could have fought for TM7 to stay on the team, but my gut tells me he had already done so a couple times. Exactly. It isn't a case where the University tests because the University has a policy. The athletic department has a testing program and rules because they are part of the NCAA. This stuff about him being thrown out of school and it being out of Miles' hands is overblown. It was an athletic department deal, just like the athletic department has a compliance department to ensure NCAA rules and bylaws are being adhered to. As we've seen numerous times, some schools/programs take compliance more seriously than others.
Show me the proof of this. Go believe that bs. You don't throw him out of school without pressure from the university president. It is a personal matter and miles covered it the first time as you may remember. The second was a 1 game suspension. The third strike and he was out. Miles had no choice unless he was going before the powers to get the policy changed. Believe me, he tried.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 3:43 pm to Jaketigger
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Believe me, he tried.
How do you know that?
Quotes, please. This is important stuff. Please share your inside information.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 3:46 pm to Jaketigger
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Show me the proof of this
Proof of what? You said yourself the University doesn't test the general student population. If athletes are tested it isn't because LSU, the school, has a policy on testing students. They are tested because they are NCAA athletes.
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You don't throw him out of school without pressure from the university president
Has there been confirmation he was thrown out of school? Or was he thrown off the team, scholarship revoked, etc due to the athletic department policy (which is required by the NCAA)?
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Go believe that bs
What BS? That athletic departments have compliance departments? That some schools still knowingly break rules even though they have compliance departments?
This post was edited on 8/11/12 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 8/11/12 at 3:48 pm to Jaketigger
Miles said he "agrees with the decision". How hard is it to understand that that means someone told him what the decision was.
Management got together and this was the decision they came up with. Miles and others being part of management. Ultimate power above Miles's head. The decision was handed down and ALL people in management come out of that meeting saying the same thing and standing behind the call regardless if they agree with it or not.
I am not saying this wasn't the decision that Miles was pushing for or not.
Management got together and this was the decision they came up with. Miles and others being part of management. Ultimate power above Miles's head. The decision was handed down and ALL people in management come out of that meeting saying the same thing and standing behind the call regardless if they agree with it or not.
I am not saying this wasn't the decision that Miles was pushing for or not.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 3:56 pm to BamaScoop
quote:
Nice post but comparing Chizic to Miles is like comparing Auburn to Alabama.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 3:58 pm to Tiger in NY
quote:Oregon must have missed this memo.
The NCAA mandates that every school have some policy that tests student athletes.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 4:03 pm to omegaman66
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Miles said he "agrees with the decision".
He also said he couldn't imagine he would stay and not want to transfer and go play football this season. Why would staying be an option, however unrealistic, if he was kicked out of school?
All I'm saying is the the policy, the testing, etc falls under the scope of the athletic department not the University in general.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 4:04 pm to USMCTiger03
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You don't think he could have done something to cover it up he really wanted to?
Hopefully, all coaches have learned a lesson about covering things up.
I would hope there would be safeguards in place here to prevent anything like that from happening. I applaud our policy. It takes this out of the coaches hands.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 4:09 pm to MOT
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He also said he couldn't imagine he would stay and not want to transfer and go play football this season. Why would staying be an option, however unrealistic, if he was kicked out of school?
He could appeal and pay for school and not play football assuming he has the grades. As would be a case for any student.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 4:10 pm to Tiger Ugly
Yeah I am sure things get covered up all the time and may have already for TM. But that said the things to cover up are not things that are written on paper where people outside of the university already know about. Hard to argue you didn't know about the results of a drug test.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 4:16 pm to TTsTowel
Gosh damn how many threads are going ro ve started about this? He had no freakin choice.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 4:17 pm to omegaman66
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Posted by Message omegaman66 Les Miles did the right thing... Yeah I am sure things get covered up all the time and may have already for TM. But that said the things to cover up are not things that are written on paper where people outside of the university already know about. Hard to argue you didn't know about the results of a drug test.
Well said. If lsu violated its own policy that it has for compliance, then the NCAA can get involved if that policy is submitted and approved.
I have not read the requirements as I suspect others on here as wel.
Bottom line is Miles did what he could and this was a university decision likely involving alleva and his bosses. Image and compliance are everything to a program on probation.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 4:17 pm to Choot em Tiger
You are right Auburn fan thanks for speaking the truth our country needs more people like Miles doing the right thing instead of the easy thing.
Temporarily it sucks, but long term it will be better for our team.
Temporarily it sucks, but long term it will be better for our team.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 4:25 pm to Jaketigger
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He could appeal and pay for school and not play football assuming he has the grades. As would be a case for any student.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying he was expelled, but if he won the appeal he could stay in school but still not play football? If he was allowed in school but not in athletics, wouldn't that mean the athletic department is making their own call?
Or are you saying he hasn't been expelled and can stay in school, which would also mean the athletic department made their own call?
Posted on 8/11/12 at 4:28 pm to TTsTowel
Right on.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 4:43 pm to MOT
Without the help of the athletic dept. He wouldn't last a semester.
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