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Judging Lee on ONE game last year
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:21 pm
I know Lee looked awful in the La Tech game, but why do people conveniently overlook the fact that he MOVED the ball in 2008.
I know he threw pick sixes, but those same people made excuses for Jefferson for last year too. Who's to say he hasn't improved?
Granted the spring game doesn't mean shite, but how can anyone honestly say the Offense didn't work better with him?
BTW, here are the point totals from 2008 by games Lee played in. It looks like D was the bigger problem and a young QB just took his growing pains and wasn't allowed to grow into the next year. Instead we put in a QB whose only goal was to "not throw an INt."
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34
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Didn't really have a problem moving the ball until the team gave up at the Ole Miss game.
I know he threw pick sixes, but those same people made excuses for Jefferson for last year too. Who's to say he hasn't improved?
Granted the spring game doesn't mean shite, but how can anyone honestly say the Offense didn't work better with him?
BTW, here are the point totals from 2008 by games Lee played in. It looks like D was the bigger problem and a young QB just took his growing pains and wasn't allowed to grow into the next year. Instead we put in a QB whose only goal was to "not throw an INt."
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34
21
24
38
21
Didn't really have a problem moving the ball until the team gave up at the Ole Miss game.
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Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:23 pm to Moustache
Because HE'S PICK 6 LEE ZOMG!!! 
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:23 pm to Moustache
It wasn't just the pick 6's, it was also the picks. Yes he would move the ball but there was a good chance he would try to force a pass and the drive is killed.
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:23 pm to Moustache
Sensible post. You make a good point. I, too, think people can be way too critical of Lee while almost babying Jefferson. That being said, I don't feel comfortable right now with either of these guys at starting QB come September 4. 
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:25 pm to Moustache
He didn't move the chains, Charles Scott and the o-line moved the chains that year.
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:25 pm to Moustache
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I know Lee looked awful in the La Tech game, but why do people conveniently overlook the fact that he MOVED the ball in 2008.
Go check out our average passing yards per game when Jefferson or Lee start. Then come back and we can have this discussion.
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I know he threw pick sixes, but those same people made excuses for Jefferson for last year too. Who's to say he hasn't improved?
Maybe they both improved. Maybe they both regressed. Maybe they both stayed the same.
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Granted the spring game doesn't mean shite, but how can anyone honestly say the Offense didn't work better with him?
Based on actual results on the field, I can honestly say that passing game works better under Jefferson. The running and the rest of the offense is more of Gary Crowton screw up than a Lee/Jefferson problem.
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:27 pm to GeauxColonels
The offensive line was also much better in 2008, which allowed him additional time and allowed for LSU to run the ball more often. It wasn't just the 7 pick sixes for Lee, which I don't account all to him. Some were terrible passes that were easily returned, but on the others there was some pitiful attempts at tackling by his teammates. However, it was also the fact that he threw a lot of interceptions. You simply can't turn the ball over as much as he did.
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:32 pm to LSUray
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Based on actual results on the field, I can honestly say that passing game works better under Jefferson
Seriously, I can count the number of passes over 15 yards Jefferson completed on 1 hand. That's why there was no running game. Defenses could put 8 in the box and cover the short routes we ran and stop the run at the same time. And the spring game might not mean anything in your eyes, but it's sad when the ESPN stops talking about our starting qb and shifts all of their attention to LEE.
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:36 pm to arobbi3
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Seriously, I can count the number of passes over 15 yards Jefferson completed on 1 hand.
You have 46 fingers on a hand? That's weird.
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That's why there was no running game.
Or the fact that our interior OL could not open holes and we had no blocking FB.
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Defenses could put 8 in the box and cover the short routes we ran and stop the run at the same time.
Except that they rarely did. Defenses were playing, at most, seven in the box against after the third game last year. Most of the time they played six.
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And the spring game might not mean anything in your eyes, but it's sad when the ESPN stops talking about our starting qb and shifts all of their attention to LEE.
I hope LSU buys Lee and Richard Murphy a trophy case for their Spring Game accomplishments. As for me, I'd rather go on what actually takes place on the field in real competition.
This post was edited on 7/23/10 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:38 pm to Moustache
i dont overlook the pick 6's. with that being said, i do think lee deserves a second chance IF HE EARNS IT ON THE PRACTICE FIELD. im not at practice, however, if he consistently performs better, give him a shot. the coaches helped ruin his psyche. he was thrown to the wolves early, but he does ned to put on his big boy pants, for he is now a junior. if i was miles, i would not give jefferson a very long leash in the opener if he fails to keep drives alive, and/or kills them with indecisiveness/taking sacks. especially if we have developed a consistent running game vs. unc. i think lee has better qb intangibles. not a color issue, just has to do with pocket prescense, release, velocity.
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:39 pm to Moustache
cause he was terrible the year before also he is pretty damn close to throwing as many td's to the other team as he is throwing them to his own team. I don't care who starts if LSU wins but to me jefferies has out played lee in pretty much every aspect of the game since he has been starting. Ive been wrong before but Lee has never showed me anything to feel like he can get the job done. Geaux Tigers
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:39 pm to Moustache
Lee had a running game. In '08, Scott scored the same amount of TDs as Lee and Jefferson combined. Give Jefferson that same o-line and running game and we probably win a couple more games in '09. IMO...the offense didn't work better because of LEE, it worked better because of the o-line and RBs/
This post was edited on 7/23/10 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:45 pm to Tmon225
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Yes he would move the ball but there was a good chance he would try to force a pass and the drive is killed.
And this is not much different than taking -15 yds on a sack.
Plus, Lee seems to hit our receivers in a little bit better stride to allow for YAC. It was very infrequent that JJ didn't hit a reciever that was standing still.
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:47 pm to Moustache
quote:Game manager >>>> Drive killer.
Granted the spring game doesn't mean shite, but how can anyone honestly say the Offense didn't work better with him?
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:47 pm to Antonio Moss
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You have 46 fingers on a hand? That's weird.
Ever heard of YAC?
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Or the fact that our interior OL could not open holes and we had no blocking FB.
Doesn't help when the defense has no respect for anything deep.
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I hope LSU buys Lee and Richard Murphy a trophy case for their Spring Game accomplishments. As for me, I'd rather go on what actually takes place on the field in real competition.
I'm not crowning anyone from spring. I just would have liked our starting quarterback to at least look like he realized he was playing football.
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:47 pm to Moustache
quote:That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it?
Judging Lee on ONE game last year
Nobody is judging him on one game. They are judging him on a season, 08.
The single game in 2009 was our chance to see if he had improved over 2008. He didn't.
The only Lee you should be harping on is Zach.
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:47 pm to Antonio Moss
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As for me, I'd rather go on what actually takes place on the field in real competition.
Damn, it's not often you see someone who prefers an offense ranked in the 100s nationally.
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:51 pm to Roaad
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Nobody is judging him on one game. They are judging him on a season, 08.
I heard all the excuses in the world for Jefferson, but not once did anybody use the "he's young" excuse for Lee.
Again, not saying Lee is the man, but JJ should have a short leash like a previous poster said in the UNC game. If he keeps taking sacks, being indecisive, or scrambling for 1 yd gains, then he needs to be pulled.
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:52 pm to Moustache
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I heard all the excuses in the world for Jefferson, but not once did anybody use the "he's young" excuse for Lee. Again, not saying Lee is the man, but JJ should have a short leash like a previous poster said in the UNC game. If he keeps taking sacks, being indecisive, or scrambling for 1 yd gains, then he needs to be pulled.
You need to get out of here with this rational thinking...
Posted on 7/23/10 at 3:55 pm to arobbi3
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Ever heard of YAC?
So despite the fact that Jefferson has more completions of over 15 yards than Lee, you attribute it to YAC. And this is because receivers would immediately fall down on every completion in 2008.
Some of you guys get pretty ridiculous trying to justify your positions.
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Doesn't help when the defense has no respect for anything deep.
Why do you keep stating this? Defenses crowded the line in 2008 because we had good running game. They backed off the line in 2009 because we couldn't run the ball at all. Go back and watch the games. Seriously, no one was stacking the box against LSU in 2009, no one.
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