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re: Jordan Jefferson=Aaron Brooks
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:13 pm to Meursault
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:13 pm to Meursault
Who are these freshman/sophomore qb's that have shown such marked improvement over this football season JJ is being compared to? Please name them. Only sophomore I know that is on fire is the guy from Boise State and Terrelle Pryor coming on late in the season.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Not a fan of Roger but this is pretty accurate~>
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Staring down recievers
Holding onto the football
Dropping too deep for protection
Not throwing to receivers in stride.
Inconsistent, will give you 1-2 good drives a game
Not a field leader, manager.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:23 pm to Cadello
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Not a fan of Roger
Happy New Year to you as well.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:25 pm to Meursault
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When compared to whom?
this is supposed to be about Aaron Brooks and JJ but in reality, there are kids that develope around the nation that exceed and will continue to into the future. imho, inho, JJ is not a future NFL QB. here are just two comparisons; do your own research and then get actively defensive!
Mark Sanchez starting and playing for the JETS turned 23 yrs, old on Nov. 11th.
Josh Freeman is starting and playing for the Tampa Bay Bucs and he will turn 22 yrs. of age on Jan. 13th.
Matthew Stafford will be 22 on Feb. 7th and started and played most of the season for the Detroit Lions until he recently suffered a season ending injury,
Check the rosters: JJ, will never be a starter at this age or any in the NFL.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:25 pm to tiger2012
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don't you think that if we had any semblance of a run game it would help.
the problem was people loading the box all year forcing a young QB to beat them...no one could have run on the opposing teams consistently stacking the box against our run formations...we should have run more from the spread to open up the passing game more...they loaded the box everytime we were in a run formation...you dont have to setup the pass by running, it works both ways..
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
What young qb doesn't have problems with those things.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:26 pm to LSUownsSEC
Aaron Brooks was good in college and was a bust in the pros. JJ can get good if he is taught properly and not by the "magic" from the "wizard".
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I don't know about all that. From what I saw it seems to me he improved on all of those throughout the year.
How many young qbs don't stare down their playmakers? Feel free to name a few that don't.
He has improved here.
Again, how many young 19 year olds throw it perfectly in stride? Friday in the first half was probably some of the worst throws I've ever seen out of JJ. But in the second half I saw a different story. I would say that his tendencies to throw to wrs in stride is about where any other young quarterback would be at this point. At least he isn't overthrowing everyone the way JRoc did when he was sophomore.
More like 3-4. Not great, but would you rather a pick six?
He seems composed to me. I think he plays with courage especially in the second half. Again, are we expecting JJ to emulate the great Peyton Manning at this point? I think he has shown me enough to think that next year he might be able to be an even greater leader.
Maybe I'm being too forgiving, but I just can't bash a kid for doing what the coaches say (probably to a fault), and for completing 61.5% of his passes at 7.32 ypa, and minimizing his interceptions. I think he is on pace to be a good quarterback at LSU. I would say this year he met my expectations. And next year I would expect more.
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Staring down recievers
How many young qbs don't stare down their playmakers? Feel free to name a few that don't.
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Dropping too deep for protection
He has improved here.
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Not throwing to receivers in stride.
Again, how many young 19 year olds throw it perfectly in stride? Friday in the first half was probably some of the worst throws I've ever seen out of JJ. But in the second half I saw a different story. I would say that his tendencies to throw to wrs in stride is about where any other young quarterback would be at this point. At least he isn't overthrowing everyone the way JRoc did when he was sophomore.
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Inconsistent, will give you 1-2 good drives a game
More like 3-4. Not great, but would you rather a pick six?
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Not a field leader, manager.
He seems composed to me. I think he plays with courage especially in the second half. Again, are we expecting JJ to emulate the great Peyton Manning at this point? I think he has shown me enough to think that next year he might be able to be an even greater leader.
Maybe I'm being too forgiving, but I just can't bash a kid for doing what the coaches say (probably to a fault), and for completing 61.5% of his passes at 7.32 ypa, and minimizing his interceptions. I think he is on pace to be a good quarterback at LSU. I would say this year he met my expectations. And next year I would expect more.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:27 pm to ready4something
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we should have run more from the spread to open up the passing game more.
The line couldn't block my c*&K this year. When Miles hurts some feelings and goes away from loyalties and gets stronger in the line then there won't be any improvement.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:30 pm to LSUownsSEC
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this is supposed to be about Aaron Brooks and JJ but in reality, there are kids that develope around the nation that exceed and will continue to into the future. imho, inho, JJ is not a future NFL QB. here are just two comparisons; do your own research and then get actively defensive!
Mark Sanchez starting and playing for the JETS turned 23 yrs, old on Nov. 11th.
Josh Freeman is starting and playing for the Tampa Bay Bucs and he will turn 22 yrs. of age on Jan. 13th.
Matthew Stafford will be 22 on Feb. 7th and started and played most of the season for the Detroit Lions until he recently suffered a season ending injury,
Check the rosters: JJ, will never be a starter at this age or any in the NFL.
Holy shite you are comparing JJ to NFL quarterbacks!?
I'm asking you to compare JJ to true sophomore 19 year old quarterbacks. Go and check Sanchez's production when he was a sophomore. Go back and check Freeman's production when he was a sophomore. Go back and compare Stafford's production! frick, I'll post Stafford's for you!!!
2007 - 194/348 55.7 pct, 2523 yds, 7.25 ypa, 19tds, 10 int
And thats WITH a great runningback!
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:31 pm to LSUownsSEC
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Check the rosters: JJ, will never be a starter at this age or any in the NFL.
Plenty of great college qbs don't ever start in the NFL what's that have to do with anything?
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:32 pm to bbolti1
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Aaron Brooks was good in college and was a bust in the pros. JJ can get good if he is taught properly and not by the "magic" from the "wizard".
that is conjecture; that could have been said about JL last season!
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:33 pm to Meursault
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Maybe I'm being too forgiving, but I just can't bash a kid for doing what the coaches say (probably to a fault), and for completing 61.5% of his passes at 7.32 ypa, and minimizing his interceptions. I think he is on pace to be a good quarterback at LSU. I would say this year he met my expectations. And next year I would expect more
You are taking objective analysis and making it bashing? Not saying JJ can't be a fine QB. In fact, have said he has the skills to be a fine QB. But there are things limiting his game and he hasn't shown marked improvement. These things limit the LSU offense and he will have to improve drastically in those areas for LSU to be an SEC contender. Les Miles isn't going to start Garrett over JJ no matter what, its JJ's team. But he has to improve in some areas for LSU's offense to improve. He was a major part of the reason LSU's offense was so horrible.
This post was edited on 1/3/10 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
True most rational fans realize the Qb position is a maturation process. When compared with some recent/current SEC qb's in their sophomore year he compares pretty well.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 11:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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In fact, have said he has the skills to be a fine QB.
Well I'm sorry if I lumped you into the crowd that has already passed its judgement on JJ, and has already jumped to the conclusion that JJ will never amount to anything. Too many idiots on here, I'm sorry I included you with them.
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But there are things limiting his game and he hasn't shown marked improvement.
Not marked improvement, but adequate I would say.
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These things limit the LSU offense and he will have to improve drastically in those areas for LSU to be an SEC contender. Les Miles isn't going to start Garrett over JJ no matter what, its JJ's team. But he has to improve in some areas for LSU's offense to improve.
And I agree with this. If he is the exact same quarterback next year that he was this year, we will most likely be worse overall as a team. But I know not many people have noticed this 'improvement', but I think I have and it makes me think that next year he will improve even more.
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He was a major part of the reason LSU's offense was so horrible.
Having to fully rely upon a 19 year old sophomore undoubtedly has a lot to do with why LSU's offense was so horrible. Having a paper offensive line, inconsistent running, stone-hand wrs, and a joke of an offensive scheme also contributed.
Posted on 1/4/10 at 3:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
Roger: Aaron Brooks never started a game at Virginia until he had THREE years to prepare to start. HE WAS A RED SHIRT JUNIOR. When JJ was recruited, he understood that RP was the RED SHIRT JUNIOR STARTER, and that JL a red shirt freshman was his back up. JJ was ready to be redshirted himself. When RP started the Middle Tenn. game, and the SEC CG in '07, he had two full years to prepare BEFORE HE WAS THROWN TO THE WOLVES. For an SEC QB to start an SEC game takes considerable preparation, USUALLY YEARS. Matt Flynn became the starter in his FIFTH year. Matt Mauck in his fourth, then got hurt, Randall took over, thus the loss in the Cotton Bowl. JJ NEVER WAS GRANTED THE LUXURY OF EVEN A YEAR TO PREPARE. Three months after he showed up at LSU, he was the STARTING QB FOR THE LSU TIGERS.
The complaints you rattle off ie "staring down receivers, throwing behind receivers, etc. reveals a lack of knowledge of the position. Those are complaints frequently cited by ESPN announcers, who also know nothing about the position. A QB throws through his offensive line, and the defensive line in what are referred to as "Passing Lanes". That's the open spaces between the players and the defense's raised arms. Unfortunately, those passing lanes are constantly moving and changing because the players are moving and changing. The coverages can be man or zone and most of the time they are disguised. Additionally, the LSU receivers are moving in split seconds through the passing lanes and between the zones, and multiple coverages. These many variables faced by an SEC QB prevent each and every pass being delivered like you do in your back yard. In addition the pass rushers are trying to maim the QB and his choice of receivers must be made in 3 seconds from the snap of the ball. He usually has 3 progressions (Choices of receivers) and if he picks the wrong one it may result in an interception which will lose the game. Then he will receive unbelievable criticism from people on this Rant who know absolutely nothing about what he has had to sacrifice in order to be able to try his best to play for them. Then they are critical of him because he is not playing like a professional athlete and worse, that he's not white.
No less than Charles Scott has called JJ a great "Leader". Who has told you that he isn't?
If no one, how do you even make that statement? It seems you are one of those people who makes ridiculous and totally irresponsible statements simply to elicit a response. Criticizing a player because of his color happened 50 years ago, but not today. Those of us affiliated with LSU know it for what it is. And it shouldn't be tolerated in any publication, blog or otherwise that alleges an association with LSU.
You don't know anything about his courage, and you obviously know nothing about his leadership abilities. Those are character attributes which should never be the subject matter of an internet discussion. The very fact that they are being discussed indicates a lack of character on the part of those who are questioning his character.
JJ is an exceptional kid who has accomplished a lot in a relatively short period of time. He is intelligent, he's fast, has a great arm, is very coachable, attends his classes, and has no interest in fake id's or going to casinos. He loves LSU and wants to be here. Be thankful for who we have, and not wish for someone we don't have.
The complaints you rattle off ie "staring down receivers, throwing behind receivers, etc. reveals a lack of knowledge of the position. Those are complaints frequently cited by ESPN announcers, who also know nothing about the position. A QB throws through his offensive line, and the defensive line in what are referred to as "Passing Lanes". That's the open spaces between the players and the defense's raised arms. Unfortunately, those passing lanes are constantly moving and changing because the players are moving and changing. The coverages can be man or zone and most of the time they are disguised. Additionally, the LSU receivers are moving in split seconds through the passing lanes and between the zones, and multiple coverages. These many variables faced by an SEC QB prevent each and every pass being delivered like you do in your back yard. In addition the pass rushers are trying to maim the QB and his choice of receivers must be made in 3 seconds from the snap of the ball. He usually has 3 progressions (Choices of receivers) and if he picks the wrong one it may result in an interception which will lose the game. Then he will receive unbelievable criticism from people on this Rant who know absolutely nothing about what he has had to sacrifice in order to be able to try his best to play for them. Then they are critical of him because he is not playing like a professional athlete and worse, that he's not white.
No less than Charles Scott has called JJ a great "Leader". Who has told you that he isn't?
If no one, how do you even make that statement? It seems you are one of those people who makes ridiculous and totally irresponsible statements simply to elicit a response. Criticizing a player because of his color happened 50 years ago, but not today. Those of us affiliated with LSU know it for what it is. And it shouldn't be tolerated in any publication, blog or otherwise that alleges an association with LSU.
You don't know anything about his courage, and you obviously know nothing about his leadership abilities. Those are character attributes which should never be the subject matter of an internet discussion. The very fact that they are being discussed indicates a lack of character on the part of those who are questioning his character.
JJ is an exceptional kid who has accomplished a lot in a relatively short period of time. He is intelligent, he's fast, has a great arm, is very coachable, attends his classes, and has no interest in fake id's or going to casinos. He loves LSU and wants to be here. Be thankful for who we have, and not wish for someone we don't have.
Posted on 1/4/10 at 6:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Les Miles isn't going to start Garrett over JJ no matter what, its JJ's team.
Garrett could look like the second coming of Tommy Hodson in Spring/Fall practice and he probably wont even see the field.
Didn't Tebow win the Heisman as a sophmore? Wasn't Hodson all-SEC for 4 years?
All this "He's still young" BS from the excuse making cheerleaders.
BTW, he's more like Marcus Randall than the Laughing Hyena. He'll get better next year and the year after, but "better" doesn't mean he's got all the intangibles to lead LSU to an S.E.C. Championship or even a West title............
This post was edited on 1/4/10 at 6:16 am
Posted on 1/4/10 at 6:49 am to geauxdaddy72
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Jordan Jefferson=Aaron Brooks
Jordan Jefferson is a great kid it seems. But i do not think he is championship caliber. The instinctive things such as looking at the play clock and game clock are things that should come natural to a quarterback. He does not do either. His decisions are slow coming and his accuracy passing under pressure lacks to be a sec caliber quarterback. Maybe a quarterback coach will help him, but if we go into next season with him as our QB, i believe we will struggle again next year.
Posted on 1/4/10 at 6:58 am to LSUownsSEC
Sanchez Wikipedia page Stafford's wikipedia page
I don't think either of these supports an argument that they were far ahead (or ahead at all really) of where JJ is after his Sophomore year.
I don't think either of these supports an argument that they were far ahead (or ahead at all really) of where JJ is after his Sophomore year.
This post was edited on 1/4/10 at 7:05 am
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