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Johnny being known for his recruiting abilities

Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:24 am
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45050 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:24 am
So many posters use this as a positive for Jones and a real strong suit. He landed Simmons, Blakeney, and even Sampson. Very good statistical haul last year. Wonder how 2016 Class is looking?

53rd in the Nation according to 247.

Behind the likes of

UK
State
Auburn
Arkansas
A&M
UT
Bama
UGA

I really like Mays and have said for a while that this kid is the real deal. Reath has gotten some high praise, but he is the only guy we have that is over 6'6. This recruiting job has landed us zero depth at spot we needed it most.
Posted by The Ostrich
Member since May 2009
2542 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:26 am to
I mean who would want to play for a team and coach that can't make the tournament with the best player in college basketball
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
10118 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:28 am to
We may be behind UK and A&M, sure, but those other teams I'm not so sure about.

Posted by landmanner
Louisiana
Member since May 2006
3198 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:28 am to
With the strides he made this year, I see Darcy making it through the first 4 minutes of the games without fouling out, and being our go-to guy next year.
Posted by UnAnon
Breaux Bridge
Member since Sep 2013
6433 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:29 am to
I mean he has a lot of under the radar talent also. I think we all see the potential Epps and Patterson have. He just can't figure a way to use them.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45050 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:30 am to
quote:

We may be behind UK and A&M, sure, but those other teams I'm not so sure about.


What do you mean you arent so sure about? Its literally a fact.
LINK

Not found in this ranking

Or here

This is the only site of the few that goes far enough to even find us on the rankings. In every other one I have looked at, those same SEC teams are found.
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 9:35 am
Posted by Pnels08
Member since Jul 2014
9179 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:32 am to
3 of our 5 guys aren't rated by the system. So we are getting rated on mays and sims. It's been said Hayward would he a top 100 guy if he was in the States but idk. Then the two juco guys are suppose to he decent players. But we definitely will need epps and elberto to improve for next season. Epps in defense and elberto is footwork.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155596 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:32 am to
He's brought in a lot of talent, no question, and marked difference from trent's recruiting, but collectively it's been disjointed with a lot of pieces that just don't fit from basketball and chemistry standpoints.

If Elbert doesn't transfer we need him to have a big summer and stick with him through the ups and downs. Trouble is I don't think Johnny really fancies or values having a big guy out there. I got that sense his first two years when O'Bryant III was here.
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 9:35 am
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28339 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:33 am to
In recent years many SEC schools have upped the ante. AU hired Pearl who had great success at UT. State hired Ben Howland who has won big at every stop in his career. Tenn. hired Barnes who, though his time was up at Texas, has won everywhere he's been. Bama hired Johnson who has won at the NBA level and the early returns at Bama seem to be positive. It took a little while (like it did at Southeastern and Murray St.), but Kennedy has A&M headed in the right direction

This isn't the same SEC Jones came into in 2012. Other schools have placed more emphasis on basketball. Just a quick glance at the resumes of all 14 Head Coaches will tell you that Jones is clearly the least qualified of them all (even Kim Anderson won a national title at the D-II level). My concern is that LSU is about to get left behind if they keep Jones and the hole will be much bigger to dig out of when they do make a change.
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
10118 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:33 am to
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What do you mean you arent so sure about?


LSU signed Simmons, Blakeney and Sampson.

At any of the other schools not named UK and A&M, who did they sign that were better than those three?

Posted by UserName69
Member since Sep 2014
1613 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:34 am to
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Johnny being known for his recruiting abilities


I know him for his crappy coaching abilities.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68316 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:35 am to
Can't really explain the lack of recruiting for this year, generally, Johnny has done well here.

Mays is a good pickup, but we went out and got some JUCOs, probably because Johnny didnt want the team quite so young for next year. He really hasn't had any success with JUCO players thus far. I actually like Reath and think he's an immediate upgrade over ER III and Malone, but Jenkins just seems like a filler player. He p;lays some good D, but that's about all yo ucan say about him.

Sims is a likeable guy but hard to project in major D1 basketball. He plays like a 6'5 PF, which you immediately think of Bridgewater, but he has way more of a shot than Bridgewater, I thin kthe hope is that Sims could be good down the line, kind of like Michael Carrera finally was this year for South Carolina.

Kieran Hayward is a total wildcard. This is all David Patrick and outside of Malone he's picked up some really good Aussie guys in Dellavedova, Mills and Simmons. Think he's rated #8 in the 2016 class among Aussies...again the "potential" guy you just wont know what he's like until he starts playing some ball here.

Wish we would concentrate on LA a little more than we do. Losing a lot of good players to other teams this signing class (Jarreau, Williams, Vital, Peters & Gresham) and we need to hit 2017 and 2018 classes harder than we are in state.

In fact I'm still perplexed how Johnny lost Jarreau and Gresham to UMass of all places, I remember them visiting and thinking they would commit shortly after, then end up committing to UMass and we took Jenkins and Reath from Lee College. I have a really bad feeling Peters is going to be a great PG for Ben Howland at MSU too.
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 9:36 am
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45050 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:37 am to
quote:

LSU signed Simmons, Blakeney and Sampson.

At any of the other schools not named UK and A&M, who did they sign that were better than those three?


That has nothing to do with the current recruiting class that will play the 16-17 season. We are behind those teams in every ranking I can find. I already acknowledge last seasons recruiting.

And everyone also knows we dont get Simmons in any other situation.
Posted by camplsu
Section 210
Member since Feb 2007
1527 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:38 am to
The 2016 recruiting rankings for LSU are skewed because we have two JUCO's and a foreigner coming in that throw off our rankings. With that said, Johnny and company completely missed on almost every single major player in the state of Louisiana. (I think Skylar Mays is in that group of major players so I give them some credit for that.)

It is absolutely INEXCUSABLE that we do not a freshman big man in this class. To say forward is a position of need is an understatement. We signed the JUCO player Duop Reath that I really like (shot blocker who can step out and shoot) but beside that we have nothing. I am so freaking tired of watching the Darcy-Elbert-Bridgewater trio play basketball for LSU.

If Blakeney and Quarterman are not on the roster next year, it is going to be very rough. We will only have one point guard who will be a freshmen. We won't have any true 3-point shooters (maybe the Australian Heyward but he is a project) and once again we will be weak inside with no depth outside of Victor, Duop Reath and Aaron Epps' corpse (since he apparently died at the end of the season).

The future of LSU Basketball is so depressing with Johnny.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34080 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:39 am to
It's not just about who you sign...."Johnnie's the best recruiter, blah,blah blah"....Johnnie could have the '72 Lakers and wouldn't know what to do.
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
10118 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:40 am to
quote:

That has nothing to do with the current recruiting class that will play the 16-17 season.


Ok dude I thought you were talking about the performance of the 15-16 recruiting class.

Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45050 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:41 am to
Like I said he is supposed to be well known for his recruiting abilities, and has done well for the most part.

But, this year makes absolutely no sense to me. If he knocked it out the park again I could see keeping him around a little longer. With this, I'm not so sure.
Posted by LilWezyAna
BR
Member since Feb 2016
3140 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:43 am to
i think Kieren Hayword is better than people think, and Jenkins (the other person from Lee college) plays like Quarterman, or at least how Quarterman used to be
Posted by camplsu
Section 210
Member since Feb 2007
1527 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:46 am to
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But, this year makes absolutely no sense to me. If he knocked it out the park again I could see keeping him around a little longer. With this, I'm not so sure.


There was no bigger supporter of Johnny on here than me before the Alabama game. But with what happened the weeks after the Alabama game there is absolutely no reason what so ever to keep him around anymore. He will never be able to recruit in state again except for at UHigh because of Collis Temple. We need to cut ties fast in hopes of sustaining the moderate success we have had the last four years. We are about to have a major downturn with Johnny and the fanbase is absolutely ready to eat him alive. There is not one single reason to keep him around.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20018 posts
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:46 am to
How do you think that proving a point means going to a website that has rankings and blindly go by them, in a complete vacuum.

The guy recruited the #1 player in the world, that has to count for something. And that's not like the only good player he ever brought in, 2 guys that are in the NBA right now.

I will never understand why this board goes so far out of there way to criticize our coaches. There is plenty to complain about, but recruiting?

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