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re: Jefferson vs. Lee Inside the Numbers *Updated*
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:23 pm to BobBoucher
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:23 pm to BobBoucher
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It appears to me this thread has turned in to a "who's better" thread. In that case, im right on point.
Wasn't my point, is what I was saying.
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Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:24 pm to just me
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Each QB brings something to the table. When you have 2 QBs, you have no QB. When you have no QB, you have 2 QBs.
exactly where we're at right now.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:25 pm to Powerman
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So now JJ gets credit for plays where the runner gets more yardage on hand offs than they do for Lee?
That's incredibly stupid man
Not entirely.
JJ's sheer presence does things for the run game.
Could this be a one game fluke (wherein Lee would actually have the rushing offense going well) perhaps. But it's interesting to look at nonetheless.
For this game alone there are two incontrovertible facts:
Lee operated the passing offense much better.
JJ operated the rushing offense much better.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:27 pm to LSUdm21
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If Lee gets all the snaps he could certainly do everything Jefferson did
He is not an option guy.
JJ certainly doesn't look like one either, but he is the guy they have to go with there. The option along with him being a threat to run does spread the defense.
Looking back on Saturday, late in the game when JL was in, it looked like we passed more often, but when Ridley got the ball at that time, he could not get the big yardage like he did with JJ under center. He would either get stuffed at the LOS or just get short gains. That does worry me. I want Ridley to be able to have some consistency regardless who the QB is.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:27 pm to Powerman
quote:The NCAA counts sacks.
Does this count the sack on Lee?
Because that could throw the numbers off with such a small sample.
If you don't count the sack(s), Lee gets up to 3.5 yards per carry. Still not even close to Jefferson's numbers.
Oh, and don't forget, you have to subtract Lee's sacks' yards and plays from Lee's passing stats.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:27 pm to CptBengal
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Then did you remove the yardage JL gained in saving drives for JJ???
He didn't gain any yardage "saving" drives.
He threw two incomplete passes on the end of two JJ drives.
If it makes you feel better, you can subtract those plays.. JJ will still have played less and gotten more yards per play.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:27 pm to Bayou Sam
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But if our fool coaches could figure out a way to make RS or someone else the outside threat while keeping the passing threat of Lee in the game, you'd think that Ridley would benefit.
Don't need it. It
It is called "play action"... it is simple.
To the person that started this thread, You are out of your mind. look at the stats as far as yds and number of plays. At a 30% completion rate, we lose that game.. TO quote Will Hunting "...How about them apples"
Here's your stats:
Passing
Name G QBRat Att Comp Pct Yds Y/A Y/G TD Int Long Sack YdsL
Jordan Jefferson 5 88.0 89 46 51.7 449 5.0 89.8 2 6 51 5 -37
Jarrett Lee 3 133.2 25 18 72.0 206 8.2 68.7 0 1 47 2 -17
Specifically for tenn. lets suppose JJ keeps up his blazing 33 % completion with his 2 picks for the next 23 pass plays for the sake of argument. he gets a total of wait...
wait..
9 for 33 with 4 picks and a grand total of 90 yds. wooooo freakin hooooo
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:27 pm to Mayhawman
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Lee can't do option, isn't so good at zone reads, and doesn't give opp D that horizontal stretch.
No, but if you but Lee in the shotgun with a single back and 4 WRs you'll see that defense spread the frick out.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I agree.
JJ isn't playing well enough to continue to get all the snaps. Period.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:28 pm to Jaketigger
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To the person that started this thread, You are out of your mind. look at the stats as far as yds and number of plays. At a 30% completion rate, we lose that game..
And at 2.3 a carry we also lose that game...
I mean, you are putting precedence on what Lee did at the end of the game (which was nice), but without JJ scampering 83, we lose the game.
You can't just eliminate one thing and favor the other just because it fits your argument.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:28 pm to tylercsbn9
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Didn't Lee get effed over by numerous penalties that killed drives
This has been fricking us all year. Guys like Barksdale don't need to be a primary reason either.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:29 pm to OBUDan
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JJ's sheer presence does things for the run game.
JJ isn't a running QB, he is a QB that can run. He seems to be more effective outside the pocket throwing and passing, but isn't going to thrive in an offense that LSU runs.
LSU isn't going to beat UF and Bana if JJ's passing game doesn't improve. No shot.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:30 pm to OBUDan
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For this game alone there are two incontrovertible facts:
Lee operated the passing offense much better.
JJ operated the rushing offense much better.
So much fail it's not even funny
I can't fathom the sheer amount of stupidity it must take to convince yourself that you've discovered a strong point of Jefferson here.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:30 pm to Powerman
quote:Passing is not everything.
Anyone who disagrees with this is crazy
Jefferson forces the defense to worry about more weapons than Lee.
When Lee is QB, LSU tends to get yards through the air. When Jefferson is QB, LSU tends to get yards on the ground.
You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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JJ isn't a running QB, he is a QB that can run. He seems to be more effective outside the pocket throwing and passing, but isn't going to thrive in an offense that LSU runs.
I don't disagree.
But he gives you that dynamic. Lee does not.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:31 pm to OBUDan
better stat would be time of possesion while each was in the game. JJ's offense goes 3 and out faster than anything ive seen, plus JJ had more series than did JL if i remember correctly
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:31 pm to Powerman
JJ has some stronger points, but people are going way overboard to convince other people that their "pet" is the superior QB.
I am not convinced either is, yet. But the passing game has got to improve one way or another and JJ isn't getting it done.
I am not convinced either is, yet. But the passing game has got to improve one way or another and JJ isn't getting it done.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:32 pm to Powerman
quote:Yes, because when Jefferson is QB, the defense is more spread out and has to worry about more weapons than when Lee is QB.
So now JJ gets credit for plays where the runner gets more yardage on hand offs than they do for Lee?
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:32 pm to OBUDan
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And at 2.3 a carry we also lose that game...
This is so stupid. You have too small of a sample size to know that trend would continue for the duration of a full game.
All it takes is one 30 yard scamper to throw everything off kilter. You can't possibly be suggesting that the guy that is capable of moving the ball through the air is somehow crippling the running game.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 3:32 pm to Powerman
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I can't fathom the sheer amount of stupidity it must take to convince yourself that you've discovered a strong point of Jefferson here.
All I have done is provide stats to prove points.
All you have done is call me stupid and say "Lee looked better!."
Congrats, if that makes you feel better.
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