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I've never heard of this B.Ball violation.....from Advocate
Posted on 2/12/09 at 6:26 am
Posted on 2/12/09 at 6:26 am
quoted directly from the Advocate after last nights double o.t. thriller.....
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A violation, but not a foul
After he picked off a rebound in the first half, LSU's Chris Johnson was caught swinging his elbows to keep defenders away from him.
However, Johnson wasn't penalized with a foul, but with a violation for excessive swinging of elbows.
The rare call resulted in Johnson being pulled by his coach for the rest of the half. But the good news was that he went to halftime with one foul, not the second foul he would have pick up if the call was a foul.
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Wow. I wonder how many other b.ball rules that I don't know about.
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A violation, but not a foul
After he picked off a rebound in the first half, LSU's Chris Johnson was caught swinging his elbows to keep defenders away from him.
However, Johnson wasn't penalized with a foul, but with a violation for excessive swinging of elbows.
The rare call resulted in Johnson being pulled by his coach for the rest of the half. But the good news was that he went to halftime with one foul, not the second foul he would have pick up if the call was a foul.
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Wow. I wonder how many other b.ball rules that I don't know about.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 6:40 am to Raparooot
Are you sure? I never heard of this either.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 6:46 am to marvin82
quote:
Are you sure? I never heard of this either.
New rule. Just heard about it while watching the Florida/UK game on ESPN the other night.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 6:50 am to Raparooot
This is a result of several elbows thrown in college basketball this season. It was discussed during the UK-UF game Tuesday night on ESPN.
Players can no longer create space by swinging the elbows, even if they don't hit anyone. It's a violation, not a foul.
Players can no longer create space by swinging the elbows, even if they don't hit anyone. It's a violation, not a foul.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 7:33 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Glad they didn't have this rule when Howard Carter played.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 7:36 am to crash1211
If Cookiman (Greg Cook) RIP was playing today he would be in violation after every rebound.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 7:47 am to Raparooot
It is a good rule. Can keep someone from getting hurt. Make that call if the player is swinging elbows and hits no one. If he hits someone, a foul better be called. I can tell you one thing though. This was not called in the UNC-Duke game last night!! As usual, they were killing each other.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 8:12 am to Raparooot
RULE 9/ VIOLATIONS AND PENALTIES
Section 13. Elbow(s)
Art. 1. A player shall not excessively swing his or her arm(s) or elbow(s),
even without contacting an opponent.
Art. 2. A player may extend arm(s) or elbow(s) to hold the ball under the
chin or against the body.
Art. 3. Action of arm(s) and elbow(s) resulting from total body movement
as in pivoting or movement of the ball incidental to feinting with it,
releasing it, or moving it to prevent a held ball or loss of control shall not
be considered excessive.
Elbow(s)
A.R. 219. While A1’s try for feld goal is in fight toward Team A’s basket,
B1 violently swings arm(s) and elbow(s) but makes no contact
with any Team A player.
RULING: The official shall sound the whistle immediately; however,
the ball shall not become dead until it is apparent whether the try is
successful. When the try is successful, the basket shall count and the
violation shall be ignored. When the try is unsuccessful, Team A shall
be awarded the ball at a designated spot nearest to where the violation
occurred. When a teammate of A1 committed the same violation, the
ball shall become dead immediately and when the try is successful, the
basket shall not count. The ball shall be awarded to Team B at a desig-
nated spot nearest to where the violation occurred.
(Rule 9-13.1 and 6-6.3)
Section 13. Elbow(s)
Art. 1. A player shall not excessively swing his or her arm(s) or elbow(s),
even without contacting an opponent.
Art. 2. A player may extend arm(s) or elbow(s) to hold the ball under the
chin or against the body.
Art. 3. Action of arm(s) and elbow(s) resulting from total body movement
as in pivoting or movement of the ball incidental to feinting with it,
releasing it, or moving it to prevent a held ball or loss of control shall not
be considered excessive.
Elbow(s)
A.R. 219. While A1’s try for feld goal is in fight toward Team A’s basket,
B1 violently swings arm(s) and elbow(s) but makes no contact
with any Team A player.
RULING: The official shall sound the whistle immediately; however,
the ball shall not become dead until it is apparent whether the try is
successful. When the try is successful, the basket shall count and the
violation shall be ignored. When the try is unsuccessful, Team A shall
be awarded the ball at a designated spot nearest to where the violation
occurred. When a teammate of A1 committed the same violation, the
ball shall become dead immediately and when the try is successful, the
basket shall not count. The ball shall be awarded to Team B at a desig-
nated spot nearest to where the violation occurred.
(Rule 9-13.1 and 6-6.3)
This post was edited on 2/12/09 at 8:15 am
Posted on 2/12/09 at 8:21 am to Raparooot
Yea pretty wacky rule, but I think its necessary.
I dont quite understand why you wouldnt give a personal foul to a player who's swinging haymakers in a crowd but oh well.
I dont quite understand why you wouldnt give a personal foul to a player who's swinging haymakers in a crowd but oh well.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 8:23 am to Cheers
quote:
I dont quite understand why you wouldnt give a personal foul to a player who's swinging haymakers in a crowd but oh well.
It's hard to assess a foul with no contact.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 8:24 am to Cheers
quote:
I dont quite understand why you wouldnt give a personal foul to a player who's swinging haymakers in a crowd but oh well.
Because PFs require contact to be made which gives the offending player an advantage. If no contact is made, it's a violation, but not a foul.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 8:29 am to GeauxTigrs1
quote:I'm not a fan of this one. If you're not swinging your elbows, I say allow the player to make space anyway he wants.
Art. 2. A player may extend arm(s) or elbow(s) to hold the ball under the
chin or against the body.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 8:38 am to BR Tiger
I wish I could have seen a replay of the incident. I also missed the incident on ESPN the other day but I heard everyone talking about it. It would have been a great game to watch but I would have been nervous as hell if I was watching most of the dumb plays we made during the game. Glad we pulled one out and got some younger guys some serious playing time towards the end. I believe Storm Warren will grow a lot from this kind of game, especially since he ended it on a good note with that 3 point play and had a dunk thrown in there.
EZE...what have you been up to? I heard no one is working at the old office anymore, that's crazy how things have changed so much in the last 3 years.
EZE...what have you been up to? I heard no one is working at the old office anymore, that's crazy how things have changed so much in the last 3 years.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 1:52 pm to Dupree4free
Yes there was major confusion yesterday as the scoreboard operator put a second foul on CJ and then when he came back in the game later he only had one foul. When he picked up his 4th foul a lot of people thought he fouled out...
Posted on 2/12/09 at 2:29 pm to saintsfan92612
It's a good rule. The rule has always been that you could chin the ball with your elbows out and create space by PIVOTING. This got turned into players that wildly swung their elbows. The new clause allows the rule to be used as it was always intended.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 4:42 pm to Raparooot
Cookieman would plant a foot and rotate his entire body from side to side holding the ball at his chest and both elbows out.
Would this be "violation" today?
Dude could clear some space around him.
Would this be "violation" today?
Dude could clear some space around him.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 5:54 pm to Tiger_in_Texas
just another reason for big men to go straight to the NBA. All those little bastard guards that want to play inside but cry when they get caught with an elbow. You don't want an elbow in the eye? Then back the f**c off.
But then again Im old school.
But then again Im old school.
Posted on 2/12/09 at 6:02 pm to cdelwood
The intent of the rule to prevent injury is a good one. However, to be fair to all parties once a player has possession of a rebound then other players should not be allowed to keep swiping at the ball. This often results in no foul called when the refs view it as incidental contact. Someimes this results in a player getting poked in the eye , struck in the jaw, or cut by a fingernail. I know this almost makes for Biddy like basketball, but there has to be balance in the enforcement.
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