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It seems that analytics stalled WF today

Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:22 am
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:22 am
Kurts said to his coach he could only do one AB tonight and then Lowder pulled himself because his arm was getting tired.

Analytics took grit out of this team and they weren't used to a dog fight being up big all year.
Posted by MasterAbe1
Member since Oct 2016
5099 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:25 am to
Skenes proved he’s got more dawg in em tonight than lowder. Lowder still pitched great
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
30461 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:26 am to
WF just don't have dat baw chest

Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:28 am to
I can respect a guy being able to admit he can’t give it his all and hand it to the next guy but this just seemed different. Instead of holding the rope they quickly handed it off
Posted by Zoo Crawfish
Member since Jan 2017
551 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:30 am to
We are spoiled with skenes. Their physical builds are completely different. It’s easy to see why lowder was pulled when he wasn’t conditioned to do a long session over 100 pitches all year, and it was short rest for him. He’s a fantastic ball player and he will shine in majors. Skenes body allows him to do his effortless fastballs and recovery at a faster rate.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 1:41 am
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:36 am to
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effortless fastballs


I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pitcher look like they were working less than Skenes does.
Posted by Darth Aranda
Naboo
Member since Dec 2016
2500 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:01 am to
Pitching wise I’m not sure you can expect more from their end, but they had no answer for our pitching at the plate
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
19774 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:15 am to
In the post game presser Jay said they have 7 guys on their pitching staff that will be in the Majors. They knew their guys, Tommy just made them pay on a pitch that wasn’t supposed be up in the zone.

Think about them pitching to Crews with 1B open and a runner on 2nd and only 1 out, striking him out then intentionally walking Tommy and then getting Tre to fly out.
Posted by lsutigertalk
At Death Valley
Member since Apr 2004
5486 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 5:16 am to
quote:

Analytics took grit out of this team and they weren't used to a dog fight being up big all year.

Maybe they should have consulted their pitching lab.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24978 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 6:23 am to
Imteresting debate.

If a player realizes he can't perform to his max for some reason, he should be cool and stay in to the detriment of the team?

Or he has no grit?

I've watched and kept up with the threads on all these lsu games the last few days. Can't count the number of posts of you all screaming to pull pitchers.

No grit huh?
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 6:24 am
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
37422 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 6:27 am to
Pitching labs
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14646 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 6:30 am to
quote:

t’s easy to see why lowder was pulled when he wasn’t conditioned to do a long session over 100 pitches all year, and it was short rest for him.


He hung that breaking ball to Crews and knew he was losing it.
Posted by tigersbh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
10423 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 6:31 am to
Normally a pitcher wants to stay in and fight. The coach has to force him out.
Posted by hojo
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2005
1366 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 6:51 am to
I was admittedly shocked when Lowder came out with less than 90 pitches thrown. They've got dudes in the pen, but the margin for error in that game was so thin, and he was still hitting 95 his last inning. Thought for sure he was coming back out.
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
9187 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 6:58 am to
Both teams pitched great, Skenes is just a different animal on the mound. Their closer should be humbled. Don't be an arrogant prick it'll come back to bite you in the arse. Anyone who makes it to Omaha can win the whole damn thing, respect the other teams.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24978 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:27 am to
Yeah, those lsu pitchers put up a fight when the coach came out to replace them....
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 8:05 am
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
14846 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:35 am to
quote:

Normally a pitcher wants to stay in and fight. The coach has to force him out.


If he wasn’t feeling it any more and loses some confidence he shouldn’t be out there. It was 0-0 and if he made a mistake they lose. If WF had a lead he stays in and it wasn’t like he was handing the ball to the 10th guy in the staff that pen is very good.
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8458 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:39 am to
This is so dumb. Kurtz was 0 for the World Series and was arguably hurting his team due to his injury

They have a lot of great bullpen arms and because of that, they haven’t extended Lowder this year like we have Skenes.

Analytics has nothing to do with this.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
31161 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:51 am to
What an awful take.

They shut LSU out for 10 innings and allowed 2 runs in 2 of three games.

They have nothing to be ashamed of and if being in a dog fight and losing the bottom of the 11th is not having grit, I don't know what is.

Wake is an impressive baseball team.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119406 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:54 am to
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pitcher look like they were working less than Skenes does.


That's why during the game I was not worried about his pitch count. He was below 15 per inning and that was within Skenes' comfort zone.
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