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Issue with Miles contract
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:53 pm
I was asked to post this by a friend who wanted people to understand how it's set up.
For those interested in seeing LSU's issue with Miles' contract, the following things should be pointed out.
1) Miles will be owed the remaining terms of his contract if he is fired without cause. That's $3.75M/year for 4 years (2010-2014 since he got an extension as of the 8th win this season against LaTech). That means his buyout will be ~$15M
2) The buyout can be paid out over twice the time he's under contract. That means it can be split over 8 years at $1.875M/year unless he gets another job in which we have to pay the difference in his salary to bring him to $3.75M.
3) Miles will continue to get a one year extension for every season he goes at least 8-5. Given our general cupcake OOC, he basically needs to go 5-4 in the SEC and bowl games to get another $3.75M reset on his buyout. Next season we have two rent-a-wins OOC and two average OOC in WVU and UNC.
4) We'd have to think we'd have to replace at least half the staff so that's more money for buying out fired coaches.
The question then becomes is LSU set up to get 8 wins a year without problem. If so, then when Miles would be fired, money-wise, becomes irrelevant since he'll keep getting an extension (which actually may slightly bump up his salary).
In the end, LSU has to think how far they are willing to allow LSU to drop before making a change. We would at best save $3.75 Million if Miles were to go 7-6 or worse next season. Otherwise, we'll be in the same cycle every year.
This will be a tough decision, and while I feel Miles is a decent coach, this isn't a rash decision to make given his winning record and national/SEC titles. LSU better also have someone they know will be a sure-fire success in hand before pulling such a trigger, because its going to be tough to sell LSU to other coaches.
Billo123
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ETA thanks to khan for the clarification.
For those interested in seeing LSU's issue with Miles' contract, the following things should be pointed out.
1) Miles will be owed the remaining terms of his contract if he is fired without cause. That's $3.75M/year for 4 years (2010-2014 since he got an extension as of the 8th win this season against LaTech). That means his buyout will be ~$15M
2) The buyout can be paid out over twice the time he's under contract. That means it can be split over 8 years at $1.875M/year unless he gets another job in which we have to pay the difference in his salary to bring him to $3.75M.
3) Miles will continue to get a one year extension for every season he goes at least 8-5. Given our general cupcake OOC, he basically needs to go 5-4 in the SEC and bowl games to get another $3.75M reset on his buyout. Next season we have two rent-a-wins OOC and two average OOC in WVU and UNC.
4) We'd have to think we'd have to replace at least half the staff so that's more money for buying out fired coaches.
The question then becomes is LSU set up to get 8 wins a year without problem. If so, then when Miles would be fired, money-wise, becomes irrelevant since he'll keep getting an extension (which actually may slightly bump up his salary).
In the end, LSU has to think how far they are willing to allow LSU to drop before making a change. We would at best save $3.75 Million if Miles were to go 7-6 or worse next season. Otherwise, we'll be in the same cycle every year.
This will be a tough decision, and while I feel Miles is a decent coach, this isn't a rash decision to make given his winning record and national/SEC titles. LSU better also have someone they know will be a sure-fire success in hand before pulling such a trigger, because its going to be tough to sell LSU to other coaches.
Billo123
LINK
ETA thanks to khan for the clarification.
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:55 pm to LSUROCKS52
Good job of breaking it down.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:55 pm to LSUROCKS52
quote:
Miles will continue to get a one year extension for every season he goes at least 8-5.
This is mind boggling.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:56 pm to LSUROCKS52
Les has us by the balls.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:56 pm to LSUROCKS52
I don't understand how firing a guy for not winning enough games is considered "without cause." That's what he was hired to do- win ball games- and if he doesn't that is the "cause" for being fired. Coaches hold all the cards when it comes to contracts/buyouts.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:56 pm to LSUROCKS52
all I can say is LSU has a poor negotiator and Miles's agent as we all know is doing an excellent job
I mean an extension with 8-5?
I mean an extension with 8-5?
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:56 pm to LSUROCKS52
In other words, we're stuck with him until the bigwigs calculate that it is more profitbale to let him go.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:56 pm to LSUROCKS52
Finally a post with substance. Great information.
Appreciate it.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:57 pm to LSUROCKS52
The key is firing him without cause. His piss poor coaching is cause to me.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:59 pm to LSUROCKS52
Is there anything about demotion or re-assignments and the possible financial consequences?
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:59 pm to LSUROCKS52
quote:
1) Miles will be owed the remaining terms of his contract if he is fired without cause.
I think the debacle last night was terrible enough to warrant firing but I'm not sure what without cause legally means in this case.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:59 pm to LSUROCKS52
What genius at LSU approved this contract?
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:59 pm to LSUROCKS52
Believe he is contracted through 2014 as he earned 2 more years with last seasons 8 wins and this seasons 8 wins. Regardless, ask your fiend if he read my earlier thread and tell him thanks for the detail behind Point #2.
Same buyout for Miles
Same buyout for Miles
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:59 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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who wrote this up?
Miles's agent and We said uuuh OK! looks good to me
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:59 pm to LSUROCKS52
the 8 win deal, that isnt a one time extension?? i thought it might be up to the discretion of the the AD.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 4:01 pm to LSUROCKS52
Well, the 8 wins per year thing explains LSU being so prepared for the Peach Bowl last year.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 4:03 pm to lsu xman
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the 8 win deal, that isnt a one time extension?? i thought it might be up to the discretion of the the AD.
I was under the impression the 8 wins put him up for the option of an extension not automatically granting him one.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 4:04 pm to NOSA
need another rule against perpetuities.
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