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re: Interesting parallel between Les & Steve Spurrier...

Posted on 10/10/12 at 9:46 am to
Posted by jakedel12
Dallas, Texas
Member since Nov 2006
1449 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 9:46 am to
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GFunk


first winning with saban's players, now winning with pure talent.

Have you looked at Les's overall record, what coach comes close to his winning percentage in the sec?

You do realize that LSU can not go undefeated every year, we had a chance last year and blew in the championship game. We were lucky to beat bama the first time.

1-3 losses per season is damn respectable in the SEC!

Take a look at other teams in other conferences, rarely do they ever go undefeated.

Can't you just be happy that LSU is respectable every year?
Posted by theBeard
Member since Jul 2011
6739 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 9:48 am to
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As a Gamecock fan, I'll say that no matter what you guys think, Les Miles is one of the Top 5 coaches in the nation. Any team would love to have him. Nothing but respect for the mad hatter.


If you like him so much can we please trade?
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 9:54 am to
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jakedel12
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Can't you just be happy that LSU is respectable every year?


I hate to say this, but you're the type who came up with the decision to stop keeping score in T-Ball games and start handing out participation trophies to last-place teams.

I want to win. Every. Damn. Game.

Is that reasonable? No.

But I want to wake up in the morning and try my damndest in every facet of my life to succeed.

I want to be a good friend. I want to be a great husband. I strive to be the coolest and best uncle and Son I can be. I try to work harder-and smarter-during the day so that I can let my work product speak for itself when it comes to my professional reputation.

Hell when I hit the john I wanna try to piss excellence.

There is absolutely, positively no reason I can't enjoy LSU Football while not also demanding excellence from it. The second I stop wanting that, I need to re-evaluate things.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89531 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:06 am to
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This year, Les doesn't see fit to make a change. We enter into the heart of the SEC Darkness with a man whose offenses show zero signs of life or improvement. Whose receivers run basic routes which lack any sophistication or seeming conceptual basis.

We see a coach who although he had the same siren songs as Spurrier and decided not to listen, and has likewise won a national title, simply refuses to change his stripes based on the inevitable, inescapable truth:

His philosophy is stale, and he's begun to hold our program back...and has been doing so for much of his tenure in TigerTown.


I thought your analysis was pretty spot on until you got right here and went off the rails on the crazy derp train.

Mett is the least mobile QB we've had since Rohan Davey (and maybe even less mobile than the Jamaican Tiger). 29 pass plays were called @ Florida, versus 25 runs - my assumption is that all 4 of the sacks/scrambles were passes called either from the booth by Stud, or from the sideline by Miles.

The OL has had to be shuffled twice already this year and they cannot consistently protect the QB (though, at times against Florida it looked like they were getting there). Mett is hot and cold, sometimes spot on, sometimes shaky and sometimes he makes bad decisions with the ball (or at least is very sloppy, at times, with ball security). When he is on, it seems like that is when the protection breaks down OR the receivers get the dropsies.

BUT, to say we haven't gone from whatever the heck the offense was at the back end of the season last year, to a straight, pro-style, heavy on the play action, balanced attack is to ignore the fact that more passes are being called now (or at least it is very close to even for the season). Should we run the wildcat with Mett? Should we change QBs? Should we have a different mix of receiver types? All those are valid questions and the responsibility of all of those answers are Miles' responsibility, but to suggest that things haven't changed when they most clearly have been changed from a style/philosophy standpoint (how many times has Miles gone for it on 4th down this year) seriously undermines some of the very valid points in your analysis.

Also to suggest that because outcome/offensive production has not improved, therefore it cannot improve is tenuous support, at best.

Keeping in mind that Miles has helmed 80 victories at LSU, more and faster than anyone, is the anti-Miles camp shifting from "Saban's players" to "game has passed him by"? After we won 13 straight games last year? Really?
This post was edited on 10/10/12 at 10:08 am
Posted by thanksjhester
Sonic
Member since Jun 2009
5410 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:32 am to
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Petrino as your OC. We both laffed, and then after we thought about it for a second, realized that would be a brilliant idea...
Did you watch the LSU/Arky game last year? BP mother f@#$d LM for all he was worth . Dont think they like each other.
Posted by jakedel12
Dallas, Texas
Member since Nov 2006
1449 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:49 am to
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GFunk


I hate that they do that in t-ball, don't get me wrong, I wish LSU would win every damn game as well.

I just have decided that it will not happen as much as I want it to.

I stopped letting it effect me! It's not worth it anymore and I decided to enjoy that LSU is competitive.

Just doesn't seem that you enjoy the games unless LSU destroys every opponent, trust me I wish they did!!

Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:55 am to
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Ace Midnight


What we are doing is yielding us the same results as last year, and the year before, and the year before that.

Our rankings in comparison with the rest of college football are static in that most of the rest of America is ahead of us. The assumption that the game has passed him by actually negates recognition that it seems to have done so several years ago, and he simply does not care.

I saw some signs early in the year that we had matured as an offense. Against UNT, we went boundary passes like crazy when they played off based on our deep routes in the Spring Game.

Then we went sluggo seam on two separate occassions with good results. We actually ran some conceptual stuff to play off the gametape that U-Dub saw and against them I thought our passing offense was coherent and still looked good.

I have seen us lose our way through the air, and on the ground, we won't take advantage of the lack of protection by the draw and screen game competently.

There's a lack of sophistication in the passing game. No deep ins, or square ins or dig routes in the intermediate and deep patterns. I hear you about protection, but we're still calling intermediate routes. They're just ALL to the boundary.

Bottom line is that I see a very simple, stale passing offense that seems to have been snuffed out since the Auburn game. As if we pulled the plug. We look very, VERY different conceptually since those miscues against them.

Something happened. What you want to attribute to that is up for discussion. But to say that we didn't reign things way in instead of adjusting to what the defense was doing is to ignore the results you're seeing on the field.

People who say the receivers are dropping the ball have a point. People who say they aren't getting open though? Those people are ignoring the real problem: The lack of imagination in the passing game and the thought process behind the playcalls w/respect to down and distance.

We can agree to disagree if you like. Either way, I appreciate the construct criticism.
Posted by JaxTigah
Jackson, MS
Member since Dec 2009
1499 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:58 am to
The point was the only thing parallel between Miles and Spurrier is that they are two of the winningest coaches in the history of the SEC. Since your post was not pointing out that similarity while bashing Miles and praising Spurrier "Interesting Differences" would have been a more appropriate headline.

Your points are one stayed, one didn't. One adapts, one doesn't. One is leading a program on the rise, one is leading a program on the decline. Just fail to see the parallels in this that you do.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89531 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 11:33 am to
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Then we went sluggo seam on two separate occassions with good results. We actually ran some conceptual stuff to play off the gametape that U-Dub saw and against them I thought our passing offense was coherent and still looked good.

I have seen us lose our way through the air, and on the ground, we won't take advantage of the lack of protection by the draw and screen game competently.


I agree with most of this.

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Bottom line is that I see a very simple, stale passing offense that seems to have been snuffed out since the Auburn game. As if we pulled the plug. We look very, VERY different conceptually since those miscues against them.


To a certain degree, I think it has been dialed back because of consistent opposing pressure on Mett. Combine that with his early poor decisions with the ball on the goalline (to his credit, he has gotten much better throwing the ball away), to that stretch where he was poor with ball security (to be determined), to a current fear that Mett's confidence might be a little fragile right now - if you look at the scripted portion of the Florida game, everybody looked in sync - it was only after we failed to score touchdowns (particularly the second drive stalled and we had to kick), that LSU's offensive game got sloppier.

A reversal of most of our games last year, against both Auburn and Florida, we got weaker and the opponent got stronger. Auburn ran out of time - Florida didn't.

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People who say the receivers are dropping the ball have a point.


Obviously I agree with this point.

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People who say they aren't getting open though?


This is where Mett needs to mature - when the play is not there, throw it away. If he cuts down on the number of sacks, particularly on first down, we look much better. If Krags is making him go 5-step, fine, 5-step, look and fire. And if he's throwing it away, he needs to really throw it away. Protection needs to get better, too. 5 steps and at least 1 second is a reasonable expectation. Mett is getting contact sooner than that on about half the sacks.

Your point about screens and draws is very pertinent here - if we could do that more competently, that would at least keep more of the pressure inside and more of the speed rushers would at least have to account for the screen before they charge. That alone could buy Mett half a second, or so, for some of the 2nd/3rd and 4 or 5 pass plays. Run the draw well enough and you can fake it, giving you some 3rd and long opportunities.
Posted by los angeles tiger
1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 1:32 pm to
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I don't think anyone is going to confuse us with teams that run creative offenses. Then again, Alabama isn't all that creative either. They execute. To this point in the year, we haven't. But, IMO, a lot of that has to do with injuries and turnovers. Not sure how much of that can be blamed on coaches.


I disagree with you because execution comes from football fundamentals taught and practiced daily by the coaches. Lining up incorrectly, wasting timeouts, false starts, missed blocks and assignments are fundamentals, carrying the ball so it's stripped easily, fumbles and other details come about because fundamentals are not taught and coached.
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