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If successful, is the O model sustainable?
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:04 am
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:04 am
If LSU puts together a couple top 5 finishes or playoff appearances O will want to be paid like a top coach instead of making "vandy money". Is LSU's penny penching admin going to pay 6+ million for a head coach and keep bringing in top assistants at 2 mil apiece (or higher as the market dictates)?
Without a change in leadership at the purse-string level, the current model may only be set up for short-term success.
Without a change in leadership at the purse-string level, the current model may only be set up for short-term success.
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Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:06 am to olgoi khorkhoi
The only real drawback will be having the player learn new schemes when our great coordinators get HC jobs.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:07 am to olgoi khorkhoi
CEO isn't going to ask for 6+ million.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:07 am to Rickdaddy4188
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The only real drawback will be having the player learn new schemes when our great coordinators get HC jobs.
This but that's just the nature of the beast when your HC doesn't have a system in place. That was and will always be the biggest gamble in hiring O. Although that's what we already had in Les so it's not REALLY that much different.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:09 am to ThaGenius
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CEO isn't going to ask for 6+ million.
If he wins a NC, why wouldn't he want to be paid like a NC winning coach?
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:10 am to olgoi khorkhoi
The model of establishing a philosophy such as aggressive 3-4-4 on defense, and diversified pro offensive style can be maintained. Frankly, Ensminger did a good job of balancing run / pass once O came in a mandated that we open up the tendencies. The model of paying OC/DC top dollar with reasonable HC pay is a good and sustainable model.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:10 am to MightyYat
This isn't a new model. Yes Miles made a lot but he always had well paid assistants. Peveto, Chavis, Cam, Aranda, etc. If O wins a national title he will get a huge raise, if he wins or gets to another he will be one of the highest paid coaches out there. He hasn't done it yet so obviously he doesn't command 6 mil a year yet.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:11 am to Salmon
Les was a NC winning coach. He was making like 4.3. CEO knows he has to have the ability to hire great coordinators and I think he's smart enough not to take too much of that money from the assistants pool. 4.5 is reasonable and still enough money to pay any assistant in the country.
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 10:13 am
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:12 am to Rickdaddy4188
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The only real drawback will be having the player learn new schemes when our great coordinators get HC jobs.
This happens at every school, it's no big deal
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:12 am to ThaGenius
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Les was a NC winning coach. He was making like 4.3.
at the time Les won his NC, that was the market
the market has changed
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:12 am to olgoi khorkhoi
The top coaches (Saban/Urban/Jimbo) have sustained success largely in part because they run one side of the ball. They will always be very good on one side of the ball.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:15 am to olgoi khorkhoi
If O is successful, he should be paid. Program should have more money with more success. Even so, I would try to structure his contract heavy on incentives. Also-- if this is proved to be a success, top coordinators will come here for the exposure and chance to move up in either the NFL or HC. So system can be sustainable for long term.
Time will tell.
Time will tell.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:15 am to ipodking
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This happens at every school, it's no big deal
It most certainly does not. At big time programs the HC usually has a system on one side of the ball where they arent completely relying on the coordinators.
Meyer on offense, saban on defense.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:17 am to Rickdaddy4188
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The only real drawback will be having the player learn new schemes when our great coordinators get HC jobs.
Pretty much.
Both our OC and DC have bigger things in mind, which is the case for damn near every top flight coordinator not named Chavis or Bud Foster. We will have whole sale staff changes every 3 years if we keep going out and getting the best OC/DC available vs promoting from within. This will probably result in a down year followed by 2 or 3 very, very good years. A championship opportunity every 3 years is completely worth it if in between we go 8-5 once in a while. It can be done, but there is some obvious built in risk involved.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:18 am to ipodking
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This happens at every school, it's no big deal
Uh no.
Meyer could hire the Easter Bunny as his OC and they're going to run the same offense. Coaches that have their own philosophy are able to establish stability on at least that side of the ball. It's a huge advantage.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:23 am to Goldrush25
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Uh no.
Meyer could hire the Easter Bunny as his OC and they're going to run the same offense. Coaches that have their own philosophy are able to establish stability on at least that side of the ball. It's a huge advantage.
Exactly. Just like saban and his defense. Saban could hire me and his defense would still be great.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:27 am to olgoi khorkhoi
If Orgeron has 10-2 type seasons without championships, that should be good enough to keep his job... but won't lead to $6M+ pay anytime soon.
If he's a little better than that can add an SEC championship or two, he'll potentially move to the $5M+ range if/when he gets a new contract in 3 years.
If he wins the SEC a couple times, and makes the playoffs / potentially wins it all, then I'd expect his next contract would definitely be in the $5M+ range, and possibly over $6M, based on what top coaches are making these days.
Also, I'm sure there are incentives in his current contract. So, as it is, if he wins it all next year, he might automatically make $5M-$6M.
If he's a little better than that can add an SEC championship or two, he'll potentially move to the $5M+ range if/when he gets a new contract in 3 years.
If he wins the SEC a couple times, and makes the playoffs / potentially wins it all, then I'd expect his next contract would definitely be in the $5M+ range, and possibly over $6M, based on what top coaches are making these days.
Also, I'm sure there are incentives in his current contract. So, as it is, if he wins it all next year, he might automatically make $5M-$6M.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:28 am to TheCaterpillar
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The top coaches (Saban/Urban/Jimbo) have sustained success largely in part because they run one side of the ball. They will always be very good on one side of the ball.
While I agree those coaches "run" one side (although they all have coordinators on that side), I don't attribute their success by and large to that fact. There is so much more to being a successful HC. "Running" one side of the ball might account for less than 5%.
There are players, recruiting, organizing, boosters relations, PR, administration, compliance, radio shows, TV appearances, camps, satellite camps, high school coaches, parents, game planning, practice schedules, meetings with players, meetings with coaches, meetings with administration, SEC meeting obligations, NCAA obligations, staff hiring and firing, etc. probably 1000s of things.
Delegation of duties is an absolute requirement. The HC sets the demeanor of the program, the requirements and the consequences for not following-- or as Saban would call it, the process. Saban is successful bc he demands perfection and instills a play for 60 minutes no matter the score attitude. His success is not simply bc he "runs" the defense.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:30 am to Salmon
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If he wins a NC, why wouldn't he want to be paid like a NC winning coach?
Because he would not be able to hire coordinators and his regime would end like Miles' did.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:30 am to epbart
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SEC championship or two, he'll potentially move to the $5M+ range if/when he gets a new contract in 3 years.
Les won a National Championship and didnt make $5. Ogre isnt making that kind of money unless he - at minimum - makes the CFP championship game.
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