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I was told all we needed was DECENT QB play and LSU would be Unstoppable
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:40 am
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:40 am
Posted this on the sb before it got locked
For the second week in a row LSU passed for over 250 yards and managed to get their arse kicked on the field. All off season we heard if we get managed to throw for two hundred yards and kept defenses honest we would be in the playoffs.
Can someone please explain to me how we complete over 50% of our passes throw for over 250 yards and still manage to lose?
What the hell is going on?
Tell me if I am wrong here,
1. We call the wrong plays at the wrong damn time.
Why did we run that bs wildcat play TWICE at the goal line?
Why did we run that bs wide receiver screen twice
Why did we not run Harris more??? Where was the read option? Kelly was killing us with the read option and Harris is just as athletic playing against a defense that was not that spectacular.
Why did we run such basic routes? People claimed Harris was going to get his receivers killed, but the same people who said this claimed that Harris held on to the ball to damn long. Well what else do you want him to do? Our QB and WRs were trying to make something out of nothing with those bull shite routes that were to simple and took too long to develop.
2. Wrong personnel
Why are we dumping the ball out of the back field to D. Williams instead of Guice? I love D Williams to death but the obvious guy you want to get the ball out to in space is Guice!
I know this one is going to get me the down votes, but whatever. Why did we continue to go to Fournette? He was obviously frustrated. LF carried on the entire game chastising his teammates. He got on the oline, Mouton, and Harris, but who gave him shite when he fumbled twice in the redzone? There is a time and place for everything don't shite on your teammates in front of the competition.
Why was Diarse even in the game? Haven't Johnson, Quinn, and Chark deserved a shot?
A majority of the passes thrown were thrown into tight coverage with little to no separation between our WRs and Ole miss defense. Beginning of the season Chi bitched about not getting enough passes but ever since then he has been getting a lot more passes thrown to him. Chi has been our most consistent WR this season, but last night he could not shake Ole Miss to save his life. Most of it has to do with the routes we had drawn up I guess.
3. Abandoning what works
Harris started on fire with those slant routes eating away at ole miss. Then for some reason all the plays we called from there after were vertical seam routes. Like WTF? Why is every pass play have to be the homerun swing?
4. Penalties or the lack their of.
What the frick is going on with our oline. Their hasn't been a game this whole year when Vadal and Pocic do not get a dumbass penalty. They are supposed to be the leaders on this offense and they can't get their shite together. Its one thing to get those bull shite penalties but its another when both of these guys are getting manhandle on the line also. Our oline literally have killed our momentum for the last 3 games straight. Where is their aggressiveness why are they not imposing their will? Why hasn't Grimes been called out?
I will finish with this I am never one to blame the refs but last night was bull shite. How many times did Ole Miss get away with holding? Every drive they scored on they had blatant holding no calls.
LSU could not get the same treatment fro the refs. Harris fist interception was a clearly pass interference and several other passes Ole miss players were interfering with our receivers with no calls. LSU never received one pass interference call and we ran 51 passing play! That is fricking insane, but we did manage to get a offensive pass interference call.
For the second week in a row LSU passed for over 250 yards and managed to get their arse kicked on the field. All off season we heard if we get managed to throw for two hundred yards and kept defenses honest we would be in the playoffs.
Can someone please explain to me how we complete over 50% of our passes throw for over 250 yards and still manage to lose?
What the hell is going on?
Tell me if I am wrong here,
1. We call the wrong plays at the wrong damn time.
Why did we run that bs wildcat play TWICE at the goal line?
Why did we run that bs wide receiver screen twice
Why did we not run Harris more??? Where was the read option? Kelly was killing us with the read option and Harris is just as athletic playing against a defense that was not that spectacular.
Why did we run such basic routes? People claimed Harris was going to get his receivers killed, but the same people who said this claimed that Harris held on to the ball to damn long. Well what else do you want him to do? Our QB and WRs were trying to make something out of nothing with those bull shite routes that were to simple and took too long to develop.
2. Wrong personnel
Why are we dumping the ball out of the back field to D. Williams instead of Guice? I love D Williams to death but the obvious guy you want to get the ball out to in space is Guice!
I know this one is going to get me the down votes, but whatever. Why did we continue to go to Fournette? He was obviously frustrated. LF carried on the entire game chastising his teammates. He got on the oline, Mouton, and Harris, but who gave him shite when he fumbled twice in the redzone? There is a time and place for everything don't shite on your teammates in front of the competition.
Why was Diarse even in the game? Haven't Johnson, Quinn, and Chark deserved a shot?
A majority of the passes thrown were thrown into tight coverage with little to no separation between our WRs and Ole miss defense. Beginning of the season Chi bitched about not getting enough passes but ever since then he has been getting a lot more passes thrown to him. Chi has been our most consistent WR this season, but last night he could not shake Ole Miss to save his life. Most of it has to do with the routes we had drawn up I guess.
3. Abandoning what works
Harris started on fire with those slant routes eating away at ole miss. Then for some reason all the plays we called from there after were vertical seam routes. Like WTF? Why is every pass play have to be the homerun swing?
4. Penalties or the lack their of.
What the frick is going on with our oline. Their hasn't been a game this whole year when Vadal and Pocic do not get a dumbass penalty. They are supposed to be the leaders on this offense and they can't get their shite together. Its one thing to get those bull shite penalties but its another when both of these guys are getting manhandle on the line also. Our oline literally have killed our momentum for the last 3 games straight. Where is their aggressiveness why are they not imposing their will? Why hasn't Grimes been called out?
I will finish with this I am never one to blame the refs but last night was bull shite. How many times did Ole Miss get away with holding? Every drive they scored on they had blatant holding no calls.
LSU could not get the same treatment fro the refs. Harris fist interception was a clearly pass interference and several other passes Ole miss players were interfering with our receivers with no calls. LSU never received one pass interference call and we ran 51 passing play! That is fricking insane, but we did manage to get a offensive pass interference call.
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:43 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
The post sucked on the other board too
Posted on 11/22/15 at 11:51 am to LSUfan4444
A couple years ago you were told that LSU would win an NC with Andrew Hatch as QB.
You have to look at these things objectively. That's what I try very hard to do, and despite the fact that I know less about football than most people here, my season predictions have been pretty spot on the past 3 seasons. You have to take off the P & G sunglasses--once you do, it becomes more apparent where the team is really at.
You have to look at these things objectively. That's what I try very hard to do, and despite the fact that I know less about football than most people here, my season predictions have been pretty spot on the past 3 seasons. You have to take off the P & G sunglasses--once you do, it becomes more apparent where the team is really at.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:02 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
quote:
routes that were to simple and took too long to develop.
Please explain how a route can be too simple AND take too long to develop.
Let me save you further embarrassment by pointing out that a go-route can be thrown in two seconds, so it doesn't take too long.
The football stupidity on this board is mind boggling.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:10 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
How was the qb play before we were down 21-0 to Arkansas and 24-0 to Ole Miss?
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:12 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
a QB who cannot put touch on the ball for throws less than 20 yards, and who cannot hit receivers without making them jump to expose their rib cages, is not a decent QB. You are a poor thinker if you don't see how such a qb is a constraining qb.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:17 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Harris has a good arm and he is fast once he starts running. While assets, those things alone do not make good QB play--there's a LOT more to the position. The rest of Harris's game still needs to develop significantly, and I hope it does. He doesn't make quick decisions (indicating he's not making pre-snap reads) resulting in holding on to the ball too long, he doesn't throw receivers open, and he is becoming increasingly inaccurate the past few weeks (the biggest concern to me, because as we saw, it results in picks and getting players hurt. The routes being called are largely because of what the players as a team are currently capable of. And, besides, as one poster mentioned, a go route can be thrown off a three-step drop, although it's more commonly 5. (Or in our case run around until you're ready to throw it.)
Edit: I should add that in my opinion, other than Dural (and increasingly, to some extent, Dupre), the WRs don't help him out much.
Edit: I should add that in my opinion, other than Dural (and increasingly, to some extent, Dupre), the WRs don't help him out much.
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:19 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
quote:
Can someone please explain to me how we complete over 50% of our passes throw for over 250 yards and still manage to lose?
What the hell is going on?
No efficiency, became a team of desperation instead of an efficient/comfortable form of the spread/up-tempo.
They haven't practiced it enough, and its obvious it wasn't what they ran a ton in practice. With an offseason and a summer, and a preseason running that as the primary style of your offense, I think you see LSU run it FAR better.
quote:
Why did we run that bs wildcat play TWICE at the goal line?
No idea. I dont why they went into a Power-I at the goal line the first or the 2nd time. The first time they were lucky enough to FUMBLE it for a TD. The 2nd time was just stupid all around.
Why did we run that bs wide receiver screen twice
Honestly, I liked that play. If we practiced it, or had run it from the beginning of the season, I'm inclined to think it would look better than it did.
Bottom line: What LSU did the last 2 weeks was exactly what should have been ran from the beginning of the season. Harris should have been running that last season. He has to go through tough games if he's ever going to grow, but I sincerely believe he WILL grow, and the WR's will get better as they get more and more reps, and OL will grow.
Alas, they hardly ran that tempo at any point during the entire Miles career, they were sluggish and slow getting to the line, and they have no idea how to get the other teams' defense out of position.
The whole point of the up-tempo is to keep the other team from getting set/making substitutions etc.
On 11/12 of LSU's games, their opponent simply does not have the depth to keep up with LSU running up-tempo all-game. LSU has so many WR's.
I hope for their sake, they are fricking Baylor next year. All those stupid fricking mindfrick years need to be made up for in a Baylor-esque year.
I'm mostly kidding on the Baylor part FWIW. Although I think Baylor talent can't touch LSU's. Harris > than any of their QB's, and
Quinn
Dupre
Dural
Diarse
Johnson
All > any of their WR's. Coleman is probably better than Diarse, but its so hard to see the WR talent at LSU because they just dont have the organization/reps to really see it work.
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:22 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
quote:
Can someone please explain to me how we complete over 50% of our passes throw for over 250 yards and still manage to lose?
Les Miles
quote:
What the hell is going on?
Les Miles
quote:
Why did we run that bs wildcat play TWICE at the goal line?
Les Miles
quote:
Why did we run that bs wide receiver screen twice
Les Miles
quote:
Why did we not run Harris more???
Les Miles
quote:
Where was the read option?
Les Miles
quote:
Why did we run such basic routes?
Les Miles
quote:
Why are we dumping the ball out of the back field to D. Williams instead of Guice?
Les Miles
quote:
Why did we continue to go to Fournette?
Les Miles
quote:
He got on the oline, Mouton, and Harris, but who gave him shite when he fumbled twice in the redzone?
Not Les Miles
quote:
Why was Diarse even in the game?
Les Miles
quote:
Why is every pass play have to be the homerun swing?
Les Miles
quote:
What the frick is going on with our oline.
Les Miles
quote:
Where is their aggressiveness why are they not imposing their will? Why hasn't Grimes been called out?
Les fricking Miles
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:25 pm to efrad
quote:
efrad
Your in-depth analysis has been spot-on.
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:46 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:
Coleman is probably better than Diarse
probably? lol
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:55 pm to monsterballads
quote:
probably? lol
He does get about 10X the number of targets. He's better. You just never know if these guys got into a different offense.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:56 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
With Chavis that logic works. With a Kevin Steele defense it does not.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:58 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
here's a new thought....it has less to do with QB play than many really gave credit for
Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:04 pm to efrad
quote:
efrad
Get out of here with that bullshite. You can't blame every single thing on one person. It may be time that we move on to a new coach, but if you think something as simple as hiring a new head coach will solve all of those problems by next season then you are an idiot.
And if you think that having a new coach next season will mean all of these problems will be gone then you are going to be really upset next year and probably screaming for a buyout of whatever coach we hired.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:40 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
quote:I guess you didn't notice OM D could stop LSU when they wanted too?
Can someone please explain to me how we complete over 50% of our passes throw for over 250 yards and still manage to lose?
quote:Harris isn't very good at reading key.
Where was the read option?
quote:The time to throw had come and gone, made bad reads (chose covered WRs over open) and/or some were just plain inaccurate on wide open targets.
Our QB and WRs were trying to make something out of nothing with those bull shite routes that were to simple and took too long to develop.
quote:I think LSU went to slant too many times and OM adjusted. Should have thrown sluggo to loosen coverage.
Harris started on fire with those slant routes eating away at ole miss. Then for some reason all the plays we called from there after were vertical seam routes. Like WTF?
You ask too many questions.
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