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I saw way too many 3 man rushes against FSU with zero pressure.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:53 am
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:53 am
Especially without Smith in the game. WTF was House thinking?
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:55 am to bhtigerfan
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Especially without Smith in the game. WTF was House thinking?
Easy, we have to protect a weak secondary, so they were playing zone and not letting people behind them in long 3rd down situations. The one time he brought the house, we got toasted.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:57 am to FreddieMac
Well I’d rather bring pressure and force the QB to make a quick decision than to let him sit back in the pocket and pick you apart like he did.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:58 am to bhtigerfan
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Well I’d rather bring pressure and force the QB to make a quick decision than to let him sit back in the pocket and pick you apart like he did.
THIS
Posted on 9/5/23 at 8:58 am to bhtigerfan
yes and one of them costed us a TD. we had them pinned on 3rd and long and the QB was rattled 2 plays in a row. We pulled back and sent in 3 man rush and gave up a big 1st down.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:00 am to FreddieMac
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The one time he brought the house, we got toasted.
And the times he rushed three and dropped eight, they converted long third downs.
Nothing that goofball did worked.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:00 am to bhtigerfan
I kept waiting for Perkins to get opportunities to get after the qb...they never did. 
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:01 am to zsav77
we didn't need to send the house. keep the 4 man rush every down and try to scheme one blitzer every now and then. that's what we should've done with perkins and everyone knows it. or let perkins be the 4th man.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:02 am to bhtigerfan
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Well I’d rather bring pressure and force the QB to make a quick decision than to let him sit back in the pocket and pick you apart like he did.
I agree and understand, but you better get to him if you are going to do that with our secondary.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:03 am to bhtigerfan
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Especially without Smith in the game. WTF was House thinking?
Defensively, it was a nightmare. I thought Wingo played well but outside of that, Travis was able to get to the edges and create at will. Just an abysmal defensive performance.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:03 am to zsav77
when we rushed it was already too late. QB had already found his rhythm. Its the plays before that that mattered most.
When it was time to step on his throat we have him relief. BAD CALLS and even WORSE TIMINING
When it was time to step on his throat we have him relief. BAD CALLS and even WORSE TIMINING
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:06 am to stephendomalley
quote:This.
we didn't need to send the house. keep the 4 man rush every down and try to scheme one blitzer every now and then. that's what we should've done with perkins and everyone knows it. or let perkins be the 4th man.
Seriously, how often do you see a 3 man rush get any pressure on the QB? Unless you have one or two D-linemen that can consistently beat a double team, it’s fricking useless.
A 3 man rush should only be used in a prevent defense situation.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:07 am to bhtigerfan
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Well I’d rather bring pressure and force the QB to make a quick decision than to let him sit back in the pocket and pick you apart like he did.
Exactly. Travis had all day to throw when we rushed three. In zone coverage, he's going to find someone wide arse open with 4 or 5 seconds to unload.
Plus, he never mixed up coverages that I could see. We sat in soft zone almost the entire second half, and that's when Travis picked us apart.
It reminded me of the game a few years back where the opposing team was bragging about knowing exactly what we were doing so it was easy to beat us. It may have been Les' last season or two.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:07 am to bhtigerfan
If I were DC I would have had Travis under pressure most of the night. I would not have used Perkins the way they used him that's for sure. He would have been used very much like last season by turning him loose, lining him up in different spots on defense on both sides of the defense, and sometimes up the middle to keep the FSU OLine confused as to where he's coming from. He rushes Travis all night and does what he does best, cause havoc, and call delayed rushes too from other spots. Designed and delayed DB pass rushes, delayed LBer rushes from different players from different angles all designed to keep Travis running and under pressure. You make mistakes when you're under pressure, and LSU did not cause hardly any kind of pressure on this kid. He just sat back there and picked them apart with the terrible secondary play they had going on too. The game plan on defense was terrible. Smh
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 9:12 am
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:11 am to tucoco
The only time in the game when travis looked uncomfortable was in the 1st half when you actually got some pressure. He had 1 horrible interception and was lucky he didn't have another. Once the pressure stopped, he was able to create and got in sync and that was that.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:11 am to JiminyCricket
And another thing about a 3 man rush besides rarely getting any pressure on the QB (especially a QB that runs well like Travis) if the QB decides to tuck it and run, they usually have a lot of room to escape the pocket and make good yardage.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:16 am to mtntiger
quote:That was Saban. We scored the go ahead TD in Tiger Stadium and they had a little less than 2 minutes and we sat back in prevent defense with a 3 man rush and AJ McCarron picked them apart with 10-20 yard passes and marched right down the field and scored to win the game.
It reminded me of the game a few years back where the opposing team was bragging about knowing exactly what we were doing so it was easy to beat us. It may have been Les' last season or two.
I wanted to murder Miles and whatever idiot D coordinator that was responsible.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:16 am to bhtigerfan
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And another thing about a 3 man rush besides rarely getting any pressure on the QB (especially a QB that runs well like Travis) if the QB decides to tuck it and run, they usually have a lot of room to escape the pocket and make good yardage.
I understand the thinking of dropping 8 to protect a vulnerable secondary, but giving an experienced athlete like Travis time to create is asking for trouble.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:16 am to JiminyCricket
yes, exactly, you can't have him back there comfortable like that, getting into some kind of damn rhythm and picking you apart. The defensive game plan was terrible, and I don't know what he was thinking. You have to have that kid under constant pressure by calling blitzes, delayed pass rushes, designed pass rushes, rushing more than 4 on the line sometimes. Just doing whatever's necessary to get him totally out of his game and uncomfortable so that he can make mistakes like throwing Ints or fumbles from sack hits.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 9:18 am
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:18 am to bhtigerfan
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Well I’d rather bring pressure and force the QB to make a quick decision than to let him sit back in the pocket and pick you apart like he did.
Mixing things up is typically a good thing. The problem isn't that we decided to bring 3. It's that we couldn't cover with 8. We still had guys wide open...defenders playing zone and never finding the WR or identifying the routes...just taking up space.
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