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I get the feeling from some corners of the LSU specific websites out there...
Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:44 am
Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:44 am
that Les Miles & the staff/company line is that he was disrespected by some coaches in-state as far as recruiting is concerned. That he's sort've offended by this. That the mantra is that you are either for us or against us.
I know one purveryor of website-related intel of the LSU variety that is not only hypothesizing this, but at the same time, indicating that the fans played a role in the likes of National Signing Day disappointments of Denzell Devall, Landon Collins, & Torshiro Davis.
In other words, from many circles, I see the fingers pointing towards HS Coaches. To the limitations of personnel. To high school coaches betraying us on the recruiting trails. To the very fans in the stands.
I see no introspection. I see no real moves to replace dead weight on the staff beyond a guy that took a promotion.
I don't see a lot of accountability amongst the members of the staff. Whether its for play on the field, personnel decisions regarding who got onto it, schemes that were devised for the kids to execute once they were on it, and quite honestly, the work put in to reel the next class of Tigers onto the suddenly green grass of Tiger Stadium.
I see many fingers from within...and they all seem to be pointing somewhere outside the walls of the Football Operations Center near the Ponderosa.
There's an old silly saying that our former Head Basketball Coach used to invoke about finger pointing and those that partake in it. Something about them never realizing that in doing so, three more end up pointing right back at you. I digress.
Spring Football will be interesting to see just how much of a shift we see in terms of our philosophy. Will it be a tectonic one, or will it be one in name only?
Can't wait...
I know one purveryor of website-related intel of the LSU variety that is not only hypothesizing this, but at the same time, indicating that the fans played a role in the likes of National Signing Day disappointments of Denzell Devall, Landon Collins, & Torshiro Davis.
In other words, from many circles, I see the fingers pointing towards HS Coaches. To the limitations of personnel. To high school coaches betraying us on the recruiting trails. To the very fans in the stands.
I see no introspection. I see no real moves to replace dead weight on the staff beyond a guy that took a promotion.
I don't see a lot of accountability amongst the members of the staff. Whether its for play on the field, personnel decisions regarding who got onto it, schemes that were devised for the kids to execute once they were on it, and quite honestly, the work put in to reel the next class of Tigers onto the suddenly green grass of Tiger Stadium.
I see many fingers from within...and they all seem to be pointing somewhere outside the walls of the Football Operations Center near the Ponderosa.
There's an old silly saying that our former Head Basketball Coach used to invoke about finger pointing and those that partake in it. Something about them never realizing that in doing so, three more end up pointing right back at you. I digress.
Spring Football will be interesting to see just how much of a shift we see in terms of our philosophy. Will it be a tectonic one, or will it be one in name only?
Can't wait...
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Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:47 am to GFunk
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I know one purveryor of website-related intel of the LSU variety that is not only hypothesizing this, but at the same time, indicating that the fans played a role in the likes of National Signing Day disappointments of Denzell Devall, Landon Collins, & Torshiro Davis.
impossible...nobody reads this site....or facebook....or twitter
Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:48 am to GFunk
your writing is almost as arcane as Miles' speaking.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:51 am to GFunk
Just to be clear, you propose 'shaking up' a SEC Championship staff and program.
All for a few recruits, two of which were not EVER going to LSU.
Torshiro Davis has you thinking we need to rework the whole damn thing.
All for a few recruits, two of which were not EVER going to LSU.
Torshiro Davis has you thinking we need to rework the whole damn thing.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:55 am to GFunk
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I see no introspection. I see no real moves to replace dead weight on the staff beyond a guy that took a promotion.
who is dead weight? And, when you come up with the name, please share how you know they are "dead weight".
thanks, i'll hang up and listen, should be good.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:07 am to willeteal
If anyone believes that Steve Ensminger is pulling his weight on staff in recruiting or as a "coach" of the Tight End Position, please step forward.
27 total catches between 3 players for 284 yards, less than 2 receptions per game. His contribution as a coach and recruiter is unfortunately something I'm missing from my limited view of the program.
EDIT: What this boils down to is that we replaced a former UF WR Coach with the Raider's TE Coach. He's from Louisiana, but he'll be responsible for recruiting Florida.
I have no doubt about the man's ability to coach his position. He survived Al Davis & 3 of his coaches to produce Pro Bowl/NFL All Pro results form his charges on the field.
I do have questions about our presence in Florida, & the utter lack of recruiting clout this staff has beyond Wilson in-state, Haley here and there, & Cooper when he decides to get out and see prospects.
27 total catches between 3 players for 284 yards, less than 2 receptions per game. His contribution as a coach and recruiter is unfortunately something I'm missing from my limited view of the program.
EDIT: What this boils down to is that we replaced a former UF WR Coach with the Raider's TE Coach. He's from Louisiana, but he'll be responsible for recruiting Florida.
I have no doubt about the man's ability to coach his position. He survived Al Davis & 3 of his coaches to produce Pro Bowl/NFL All Pro results form his charges on the field.
I do have questions about our presence in Florida, & the utter lack of recruiting clout this staff has beyond Wilson in-state, Haley here and there, & Cooper when he decides to get out and see prospects.
This post was edited on 2/7/12 at 11:11 am
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:12 am to GFunk
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If anyone believes that Steve Ensminger is pulling his weight on staff in recruiting or as a "coach" of the Tight End Position, please step forward.
27 total catches between 3 players for 284 yards, less than 2 receptions per game. His contribution as a coach and recruiter is unfortunately something I'm missing from my limited view of the program.
you know he's not? what are you basing that on? t.e's only catch? none, block? lsu did have a pretty good running game.
what specific things you know that he isn't doing?
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:13 am to GFunk
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He's from Louisiana, but he'll be responsible for recruiting Florida.
He's going to recruit a portion of Florida -- along with some other coaches -- but his main responsibility will be SW Louisiana and the Golden Triangle in Texas.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:15 am to tigerfoot
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tigerfoot
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Just to be clear, you propose 'shaking up' a SEC Championship staff and program.
All for a few recruits, two of which were not EVER going to LSU.
Torshiro Davis has you thinking we need to rework the whole damn thing.
Adding another recruiter and allowing Wilson to do his job as RC & as our ace-guy in-state isn't "shaking up" anything.
If Steve Ensminger is the fulcrum upon which the staff morale of the LSU Football Team rests, then woe is us.
As for the "all for a few recruits", I disagree. A bomb went off at the top of the State's talent evals. We were outworked & allowed "3rd parties" to burn us badly. We also missed out and miscalculated in several instances, as well.
Simply put, we botched recruiting badly this year, however you slice it.
Torshiro Davis is not the simple sum of the equation I've stated and now restated you're attempting to reword here.
Torshiro Davis is a symptom of a larger problem. Its not some wayward coach with an attitude problem. Its that we weren't on top of this kid & Devall (who BTW was driven to Bama several times by his former DC at Bastrop, whose also Davis' former HC).
We're being outworked, & we're blaming 3rd parties & outside influences for it. It all starts at home, in my opinion.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:16 am to GFunk
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In other words, from many circles, I see the fingers pointing towards HS Coaches. To the limitations of personnel. To high school coaches betraying us on the recruiting trails
Benny Saia at Dutchtown had nothing to do with where Landon Collins ended up. First of all, it's not the high school coach's postion to push a player to any school. That is a life decision that needs to be made by a player and his family, and only if they ask for the coach's advice should it be given. Now as for the coach at Woodlawn-Shreveport that reportedly swayed Toshiro Davis to Texas, he's an arse clown and if it goes bad in Austin, he should be blamed for the results.
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To the very fans in the stands.
Yep, Patriot fans suck, too. They were blaming Belicheck, Brady, and Welker for "blowing" the Super Bowl.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:16 am to GFunk
So you're saying you gathered your information from LSU websites and you don't see anything going on with the inner workings of the LSU staff.
Perfect basis to criticize the coaching staff.
Perfect basis to criticize the coaching staff.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:20 am to dos crystal
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dos crystal
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you know he's not? what are you basing that on? t.e's only catch? none, block? lsu did have a pretty good running game.
what specific things you know that he isn't doing?
We did have a good running game. We ran 22 personnel a lot with double tight ends that covered the C-Gap and to be quite honest, I don't believe it was truly necessary to do so as much as we did so this year.
Beyond that, if you think our Tight Ends were the keys to our blocking schemes, then you're sadly mistaken. Beyond that (x's 2), if you think Ensminger was the key on teaching the fundamentals on our blocking schemes and not Stud, then using your logic we need to discuss how weak or strong Stud is?
I can appreciate the point you're driving at. But I hope you can appreciate the point of fact that I'm not some negative nancy or bleeding heart advocating for change simply for change's sake.
TE Coach is what Josh Henson was as our RC before leaving for the OL position at Mizzou. TE Coach is typically the place where your "designated recruiter" is positioned on staff.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:23 am to Choupique19
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Choupique19
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Benny Saia at Dutchtown had nothing to do with where Landon Collins ended up.
I was not at any point inferring or making any points about the staff at DHS, including Saia. My apologies for the confusion on my end explaining my point.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:24 am to GFunk
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TE Coach is what Josh Henson was as our RC before leaving for the OL position at Mizzou. TE Coach is typically the place where your "designated recruiter" is positioned on staff
Why? What other school's TE coaches are elite recruiters?
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:30 am to GFunk
I agree with the substance of the original post. Moreover, waging war with Louisiana high school coaches has historically been very counterproductive for the LSU football program. Even apparent victories are pyrrhic, since they result in the alienation of individuals who have tremendous influence over marquee in-state recruits.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:30 am to GFunk
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I was not at any point inferring or making any points about the staff at DHS
I think that we are letting the actions of one fired coach in North Louisiana give a broad stroke over the entire high school coaching personnel in Louisiana.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:32 am to GFunk
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from my limited view of the program
So quit pretending you know something.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:33 am to Choupique19
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Choupique19
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I think that we are letting the actions of one fired coach in North Louisiana give a broad stroke over the entire high school coaching personnel in Louisiana.
While on a certain level I agree with you, on another level, I believe we had an entire recruiting staff able to recruit these two kids, & we did not.
Further, we made a huge gamble & ultimately a huge mistake with the Kiel & Miller two-fer. I say quite safely that we made multiple errors down the stretch, and based on what I hear and what I see, certain members of this staff who actually do pay the price and put in the time to do their work out there on the road with kids are being spread too thin.
They need help. We faltered in-state. We should address it.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:34 am to GFunk
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that Les Miles & the staff/company line is that he was disrespected by some coaches in-state as far as recruiting is concerned. That he's sort've offended by this. That the mantra is that you are either for us or against us.
I know one purveryor of website-related intel of the LSU variety that is not only hypothesizing this, but at the same time, indicating that the fans played a role in the likes of National Signing Day disappointments of Denzell Devall, Landon Collins, & Torshiro Davis.
In other words, from many circles, I see the fingers pointing towards HS Coaches. To the limitations of personnel. To high school coaches betraying us on the recruiting trails. To the very fans in the stands.
I see no introspection. I see no real moves to replace dead weight on the staff beyond a guy that took a promotion.
Strawman. Very weak.
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I don't see a lot of accountability amongst the members of the staff. Whether its for play on the field, personnel decisions regarding who got onto it, schemes that were devised for the kids to execute once they were on it, and quite honestly, the work put in to reel the next class of Tigers onto the suddenly green grass of Tiger Stadium.
I see many fingers from within...and they all seem to be pointing somewhere outside the walls of the Football Operations Center near the Ponderosa.
Baseless
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Spring Football will be interesting to see just how much of a shift we see in terms of our philosophy. Will it be a tectonic one, or will it be one in name only?
It's going to be a run based offense with the ability to throw the football downfield successfully. We'll throw it more than the last few years, but we will not throw it more than we run it.
It's not going to be an entirely different offense. Expecting different would say more about you than it does about the coaching staff.
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