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re: How important is another LSU player winning the Heisman for you?

Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:12 pm to
Posted by LSUnowhas2
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
21981 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:12 pm to
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I'd rather a bowl win, been a long time since we had one


Exactly. Baby steps at this point when we have lost three of our last four bowl games.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:12 pm to
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This is my feeling about the award. Sure it means a lot to win it, but it really isn't a fair award because it compares apples to oranges.

Heck I kind of wish they had two Heisman awards each year for offense and defense.


Just take a look at past winners. Sure...early on many/most of those guys were potentially going both ways, but that hasn't been the case for 50 years.

1935: RB Jay Berwanger / Chicago
1936: End Larry Kelley / Yale
1937: QB Clint Frank / Yale
1938: QB Davey O'Brien / TCU
1939: RB Nile Kinnick / Iowa
1940: RB Tom Harmon / Michigan
1941: RB Bruce Smith / Minnesota
1942: RB Frank Sinkwich / Georgia
1943: QB Angelo Bertelli / Notre Dame
1944: QB Les Horvath / Ohio State
1945: FB Doc Blanchard / Army
1946: RB Glenn Davis / Army
1947: QB John Lujack / Notre Dame
1948: RB Doak Walker / Southern Methodist
1949: E Leon Hart / Notre Dame
1950: RB Vic Janowicz / Ohio State
1951: RB Dick Kazmaier / Princeton
1952: RB Billy Vessels / Oklahoma
1953: RB John Lattner / Notre Dame
1954: FB Alan Ameche / Wisconsin
1955: RB Howard Cassady / Ohio State
1956: QB Paul Hornung / Notre Dame
1957: RB John David Crow / Texas A&M
1958: RB Pete Dawkins / Army
1959: RB Billy Cannon / Louisiana State
1960: RB Joe Bellino / Navy
1961: RB Ernie Davis / Syracuse
1962: QB Terry Baker / Oregon State
1963: QB Roger Staubach / Navy
1964: QB John Huarte / Notre Dame
1965: RB Mike Garrett / USC
1966: QB Steve Spurrier / Florida
1967: QB Gary Beban / UCLA
1968: RB O.J. Simpson / USC
1969: FB Steve Owens / Oklahoma
1970: QB Jim Plunkett / Stanford
1971: QB Pat Sullivan / Auburn
1972: RB Johnny Rodgers / Nebraska
1973: RB John Cappelletti / Penn State
1974: RB Archie Griffin / Ohio State
1975: RB Archie Griffin / Ohio State
1976: RB Tony Dorsett / Pittsburgh
1977: RB Earl Campbell / Texas
1978: RB Billy Sims / Oklahoma
1979: RB Charles White / USC
1980: RB George Rogers / South Carolina
1981: RB Marcus Allen / USC
1982: RB Herschel Walker / Georgia
1983: RB Mike Rozier / Nebraska
1984: QB Doug Flutie / Boston College
1985: RB Bo Jackson / Auburn
1986: QB Vinny Testaverde / Miami (Fla)
1987: WR Tim Brown / Notre Dame
1988: RB Barry Sanders /Oklahoma State
1989: QB Andre Ware / Houston
1990: QB Ty Detmer / Brigham Young
1991: WR Desmond Howard / Michigan
1992: QB Gino Torretta / Miami (Fla)
1993: QB Charlie Ward / Florida State
1994: RB Rashaan Salaam / Colorado
1995: RB Eddie George / Ohio State
1996: QB Danny Wuerffel / Florida
1997: CB Charles Woodson / Michigan
1998: RB Ricky Williams / Texas
1999: RB Ron Dayne / Wisconsin
2000: QB Chris Weinke / Florida State
2001: QB Eric Crouch / Nebraska
2002: QB Carson Palmer / USC
2003: QB Jason White / Oklahoma
2004: QB Matt Leinart / USC
2005: RB Reggie Bush / USC
2006: QB Troy Smith / Ohio State
2007: QB Tim Tebow / Florida
2008: QB Sam Bradford / Oklahoma
2009: TB Mark Ingram / Alabama
2010: QB Cameron Newton / Auburn
2011: QB Robert Griffin / Baylor
2012: QB Johnny Manziel / Texas A&M

Since 1964, the award has been split almost down the middle between QB's and RB's...with 2 WR's thrown in there who also made their mark on spacial teams as return guys, other wise they'd have been left off. The only defensive player in 50 years to win the award is Charles Woodson in 1997. He is, essentially, the only exclusively player defensive player to win the award. That alone makes it a joke.

I mean, it's pretty and all and would look sweet on the mantle, but in terms of meaning...eh.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84831 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:14 pm to
Less important than championships obviously but it would be awesome
Posted by Proud2BaTIGER
KAPLAN
Member since Dec 2007
311 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:20 pm to
Not as much as Championships
Posted by mcgwyergolf
Pensacola
Member since Mar 2013
114 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:30 pm to
I for one would love to see it. I think Fournette could be that guy!
Posted by TigerTreyjpg
Monroe, LA
Member since Jun 2008
5815 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:52 pm to
Not important to me at all, but I have, at times, wondered if our lack of promoting Heisman "candidacies" hurts us in recruiting.

Not sure if it does. Just saying.

I will say this though. I'm not a "star gazer", recruiting expert, or someone that every single year screams about the next "greatest running back of all time" or whatever. Seems like every year, there's someone that we JUST HAVE TO GET OR THE SKY WILL FALL. Every year. I just don't get too fired up over kids who have never taken a snap in college. But with that said, I do believe that LF will be the best running back to ever come out of the state of Louisiana, or LSU (wasn't Alexander from Texas?). Think about all the great ones we've had. That is a long long list. I really do believe that Fournette will be better than anyone we've ever sent up.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
33961 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:55 pm to
Heisman winner USUALLY comes from a top 5 team, so in that regard, I am all for it
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166136 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:58 pm to
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Heisman winner USUALLY comes from a top 5 team, so in that regard, I am all for it


for real, its a given your team is great with a heisman winner.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
102982 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:02 pm to
Once Jennings retires we will be ready for some other school to have a chance at the heisman
Posted by Radiojones
The Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2007
10728 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:07 pm to
It's not
Posted by Drone
Mandeville
Member since Oct 2012
143 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:11 pm to
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Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26618 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 4:59 pm to
Well it's not important, but I'd love to see one or 2 in my lifetime.

Jennings and Fournette (counting my chickens), give us the best chance f that happening very soon and Voorhies could play both offense and defense and do well.
Posted by BhamTigah
Lurker since Jan 2003
Member since Jan 2007
14099 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:11 pm to
Winning a Heisman is not important to me, and I'll stick to that story until we win one.
Posted by DadFanAlum
TEXAS!
Member since Oct 2010
1188 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:19 pm to
Absolutely of no importance whatsoever.
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:45 pm to
I've had zero interest since it became a ESPN talking point/agenda driven contest


Just don't care whatsoever
Posted by Relham10
Ridge
Member since Jan 2013
15579 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:50 pm to
Cool but not important. Heisman is usually a player with rediculous stats but the team usually under performs, I said usually. And not many heismans have ever had success at the next level.
Posted by GCTiger11
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Jan 2012
45142 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:54 pm to
I'd rather a Chik-Fil-A Bowl win than a Heisman trophy winner. That's how important it is to me.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:57 pm to
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This view is based mostly on my belief that it's a stupid award that states it's awarding the most valuable player, but that really awards the QB/RB with the most gaudy stats on a higher profile team in nearly all cases. If they REALLY DID award the most valuable player in college football, regardless of position and regardless of the prestige of the team he was on, I'd care more about it.


QB is by far the single most important position in football today so unless some RB just goes off it should go to a QB every year. Also, a Heisman caliber QB is going to win the vast majority of their games to they will be on a good team. Having a player win the Heisman award isn't that important to me but I sure would like to have a Heisman quality QB at LSU.
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