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How I would Beat LSU Defense, plus some tidbits about Missouri game (Analysis)
Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:22 pm
I was listening to an interesting discussion about UT vs Bama this week, talking about what Kiffin might do specifically to the UT defense. It made me think about how opponents might gameplan against us and I wanted to see what parts of the LSU defense I would attack as an OC.
I watched this game with the intent to beat the LSU defense. I didn't watch much of our offense but sometimes you just gotta see the Tigers score that fourth touchdown.
This is just my take, I'm no pro. If you see something I don't, let's hear it!
You know this:
LSU has athletes on athletes.
Tre White is GOOD. Great body control, good hips, smart.
Beckwith is really strong. Dude has real stopping power.
Now, one thing I noticed is the defense is still being installed. We played a lot of similar plays on defense, but Aranda did experiment at times with mixed coverages/dropping players. Mostly just saw a lot of man relying on everyone to do their job, like advertised.
What I would do: We rely on LBs to cover a lot of the short-medium section. At times, the LBs will have some confusion and end up covering the same zones or watching the QB too closely. I don't see the LBs attacking often, and more often reacting to the play. With man coverage on the outside, there are a lot of opportunities to get players behind the linebackers. I'd install plenty of misdirection, trailing routes, screens, and delay routes. That would keep them on their heels and force Aranda to call plays that make the DBs' keep their eyes on the play. With those long athletic DBs off my WRs, I can start to slice up that zone with crossing routes/posts. I'd pick on Donte with a mix of hitch routes and curl n' gos. He loves to bite and I know I'll get one open deep.
Tidbits I saw about the offense:
Danny Etling and Ball placement. The distances that DE can throw, he knows where to put the ball. Sadly, he doesn't look like he can drive that ball in deep. It doesn't look like he has that feel yet, hopefully it gets better with reps.
GUICE. What a beast
Pocic to RT will be good. Dude is an athlete! Really quick in space, and will improve our protection IMO.
What would you do as an OC against us? Gotta love football season.
I watched this game with the intent to beat the LSU defense. I didn't watch much of our offense but sometimes you just gotta see the Tigers score that fourth touchdown.
This is just my take, I'm no pro. If you see something I don't, let's hear it! You know this:
LSU has athletes on athletes.
Tre White is GOOD. Great body control, good hips, smart.
Beckwith is really strong. Dude has real stopping power.
Now, one thing I noticed is the defense is still being installed. We played a lot of similar plays on defense, but Aranda did experiment at times with mixed coverages/dropping players. Mostly just saw a lot of man relying on everyone to do their job, like advertised.
What I would do: We rely on LBs to cover a lot of the short-medium section. At times, the LBs will have some confusion and end up covering the same zones or watching the QB too closely. I don't see the LBs attacking often, and more often reacting to the play. With man coverage on the outside, there are a lot of opportunities to get players behind the linebackers. I'd install plenty of misdirection, trailing routes, screens, and delay routes. That would keep them on their heels and force Aranda to call plays that make the DBs' keep their eyes on the play. With those long athletic DBs off my WRs, I can start to slice up that zone with crossing routes/posts. I'd pick on Donte with a mix of hitch routes and curl n' gos. He loves to bite and I know I'll get one open deep.
Tidbits I saw about the offense:
Danny Etling and Ball placement. The distances that DE can throw, he knows where to put the ball. Sadly, he doesn't look like he can drive that ball in deep. It doesn't look like he has that feel yet, hopefully it gets better with reps.
GUICE. What a beast
Pocic to RT will be good. Dude is an athlete! Really quick in space, and will improve our protection IMO.
What would you do as an OC against us? Gotta love football season.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 3:33 pm
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:27 pm to beantown
I didn't read any of that but I want to hug you IRL for not posting about Foley, UF, etc.
Automatic upvote
Automatic upvote
Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:28 pm to BoogaBear
We can talk about Foley in the offseason. Football season is half done.Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:39 pm to BoogaBear
Bama, Ole Miss and Arky have done the same thing. Their success has been from have a bigger stronger OL than our DL. It's as simple as that. They have run to open the pass and as the safeties and LBs have had to move up to stop the run they've opened the short to intermediate routes up in the pass game. They've also done a good job of keeping our rush off of their QBs.
This is why I was really excited about us recruiting Valentine who offsets the size disadvantage. The other variable is having Beckwith. No more 230lb middle LBs. We have a thumper now and it shows. The D is still learning Aranda's scheme so he's been pretty vanilla on the blitzes, but I expect to see it increase as the season goes on.
Whoever becomes the new HC will be inheriting an embarrassment of riches.
This is why I was really excited about us recruiting Valentine who offsets the size disadvantage. The other variable is having Beckwith. No more 230lb middle LBs. We have a thumper now and it shows. The D is still learning Aranda's scheme so he's been pretty vanilla on the blitzes, but I expect to see it increase as the season goes on.
Whoever becomes the new HC will be inheriting an embarrassment of riches.
Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:40 pm to BayouCowboy
I wanted to stay away from the well-known run down out throat approach. I do think we're getting better at defending it now.
Posted on 10/14/16 at 4:29 pm to beantown
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I wanted to stay away from the well-known run down out throat approach. I do think we're getting better at defending it now.
Ok, then I would use a lot of rub routes to combat our man coverage. Run game would probably focus on more pulling guards since we are light on the edge. I'd run right at Key to offset his quickness. I'd probably also throw in a lot of counter plays to exploit over pursuit.
Posted on 10/14/16 at 4:34 pm to BayouCowboy
Do you think that would be sustainable throughout the game?
Posted on 10/14/16 at 4:48 pm to beantown
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Do you think that would be sustainable throughout the game?
No but sustainable gameplans only work when you have more talent than your opponent. Otherwise you have to keep them off balance and force them to continually adjust. Les refused to acknowledge this. That's why we could all but guarantee wins against weaker opponents, but rarely beat teams that physically or talent wise were our equals or better.
Posted on 10/14/16 at 4:52 pm to beantown
For some reason, people think that spreading LSU out with more than 3 receivers will give problems but I see the Tigers having plenty of talent in the nickel, dime to deal with it.
I would start by picking on our safeties and LBs by throwing to the RBs and TEs along with the occasional hooks against Tolliver and Jackson.
Running the ball against us won't be consistent unless it's late in the game and/or the safeties are on their heals from successful passes. Then it still might not happen. Bama's OL might be the exception to this.
In the end, taking what LSU's defense gives them is the only thing that they can do. It's cliché, I know, but it's true. Kiffen seems to be good at this so we will see if their young QB will be able to do it or not.
I would start by picking on our safeties and LBs by throwing to the RBs and TEs along with the occasional hooks against Tolliver and Jackson.
Running the ball against us won't be consistent unless it's late in the game and/or the safeties are on their heals from successful passes. Then it still might not happen. Bama's OL might be the exception to this.
In the end, taking what LSU's defense gives them is the only thing that they can do. It's cliché, I know, but it's true. Kiffen seems to be good at this so we will see if their young QB will be able to do it or not.
Posted on 10/14/16 at 5:03 pm to beantown
Very Interesting, seeing how the team responds with the delay is very important.
Posted on 10/14/16 at 5:08 pm to BoogaBear
quote:
I didn't read any of that but I want to hug you IRL for not posting about Foley, UF, etc.
Posted on 10/14/16 at 5:46 pm to BayouCowboy
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No but sustainable gameplans only work when you have more talent than your opponent. Otherwise you have to keep them off balance and force them to continually adjust. Les refused to acknowledge this. That's why we could all but guarantee wins against weaker opponents, but rarely beat teams that physically or talent wise were our equals or better.
Great point!
Posted on 10/14/16 at 5:51 pm to beantown
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I'd pick on Donte with a mix of hitch routes and curl n' gos. He loves to bite and I know I'll get one open deep.
The scary thing is, he can get beat a little and still close on a deep ball because he's so damn fast.
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What would you do as an OC against us?
I would try to get Arden Key in coverage as much as possible. He's a liability there and any time you can get him in coverage is one less drop back that he has an opportunity to get a sack.
I would focus on hitting my TEs and RBs out the backfield. Our LBs are pretty poor at covering TEs. The only team we've faced thus far that really uses their TE is Wisconsin and they ate us up.
Posted on 10/14/16 at 6:58 pm to UpToPar
That's why I hope we have Corey Thompson back by the Alabama game for if nothing else mid range coverage ability.
at 220 lbs he can play decent vs run too
at 220 lbs he can play decent vs run too
Posted on 10/14/16 at 7:00 pm to UpToPar
Agree with you here. OLBs don't get the opportunity to go into coverage enough. Our open field tackling is pretty good at the moment, but could open some bad doors potentially.
Posted on 10/14/16 at 7:40 pm to beantown
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beantown
It's would watch the film of every loss since Bama last year & do exactly what everyone else did until they could stop us. Ball control/TOP is LSU'so kryptonite.
Specifically, every running play would be at Key. Force him to play like a DT. Get under his pads, double team him, just wear his arse out & make him irrelevant(teams would do this successfully against Mingo too). Building on that, every pass would be a play action, bootleg, waggle type play with quick reads & read times. You have to exploit early coverage mistakes because LSU is so athletic they can recover quickly once the play starts to develop.
Posted on 10/14/16 at 7:55 pm to beantown
Just ask Urban Meyer. The OSU hung 59 on Aranda's Wisc defense in the Big Ten championship game two seasons ago.
Posted on 10/14/16 at 8:33 pm to GetmorewithLes
And skunked that offense. That OSU team was legit.
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