- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: How hard is it to break the 2-3 zone?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:26 pm to BearTiger
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:26 pm to BearTiger
Zone's work on teams that truly do not know to beat them.
OF COURSE outside shooting helps beat a zone/ but that's what they want you to do
best way is to reverse the ball a lot/ pass it around the perimeter a lot and make that defense move-------
then flood one side; hence, the offense player on the back-side will be guarded by a guy who cannot keep his eyes on him at all times- eventually there will be some defensive slippage and an easy score will take place
it's exactly what any team should do to LSU
0
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:46 pm to themunch
The weakness is the high post - especially if you have good outside shooters. Play a good passing '4' that can hit jumpers from around the FT line. Spread your guards out wide and flash him to the middle. If the guards collapse, kick out for open 3s. If one of the baseline defenders tries to cover the FT line area or cheat toward the outside shooters, attack the baseline area that they vacated.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:21 pm to Number 31
quote:
With this team that would result in a turnover 98 times out of 100.
uhhh, no. That's not how it works bruh. Dribble gap is probably less risky than force field passing for 30 seconds with this team.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:29 pm to themunch
The way you beat any zone: ball movement, ball movement, ball movement. Make the defense move- this opens up jump shots, drives, & lanes to the basket. Just takes a little offense to make the defense move and adjust & this will opens looks against a 2-3. It is elementary, but yet for some reason a D1 coach can't figure it out.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:31 pm to setinways12
quote:
uhhh, no. That's not how it works bruh. Dribble gap is probably less risky than force field passing for 30 seconds with this team.
Gap? What gap?
The whole point of a 2-3 zone is to prevent the other team from getting the ball into the paint. The defense by design collapses around the ball handler if he attempts to penetrate.
If you've watched this team play you've seen that our players turn the ball over more often than not, and if they do somehow miraculously get to the rim and get a shot off, the shot usually gets blocked.
To break a 2-3 zone you need to be able to knock down shots from outside. Period.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:40 pm to themunch
The best way to do this is to run what's called a short corner. Instead of having your 2 guards on each side of the zone shooting threes you have one at the top of the key and the other at the bend of the wing. You'd have one post player around the free throw line and the other running the baseline you'd also have a backside wing at the opposite bend in the arc. The high post player moves to openings from the ft line to the basket trying to get open the guards move the ball looking for the high post player to get open. Once the ball is fed to the high post player he looks to attack the rim or drop the ball to the short corner baseline runner. You can shoot Layups everytime if you run it right.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 9:29 am
Posted on 2/16/17 at 9:21 am to Number 31
quote:
The whole point of a 2-3 zone is to prevent the other team from getting the ball into the paint. The defense by design collapses around the ball handler if he attempts to penetrate.
If you've watched this team play you've seen that our players turn the ball over more often than not, and if they do somehow miraculously get to the rim and get a shot off, the shot usually gets blocked.
To break a 2-3 zone you need to be able to knock down shots from outside. Period.
I'm not disagreeing that shooters help.... but you can't expect to just pass the ball around the perimeter and get good shots.
And fwiw... a "gap" is the term used by basketball people that refers to an area between two people... as in two defenders. So lets keep this simple. Dribble between two defenders so that they both are guarding you... at that moment in time there are four other players on offense that don't have the ball and only three defenders. At that point the offensive player can either look to the perimeter and kick out, look to the short corner (which is a lost art in today's game b/c of the 3 pt line), or if neither defender commits to the ball handler can actually squeeze between them and get to the bottom half of the zone at which point the zone is basically broken. Finishing around the basket is a separate issue.
The OP asked how one breaks the 2-3 not how one scores in the 2-3 zone. Well coached teams break defenses but it takes good players to finish around the basket.
This LSU has enough talent to win games... they could possibly be the worst coached team I've seen in college basketball in some time. I think as fans we have a tendency to think our team is always the worst coached.... but this year I've tried to be less biased and get a full sample of college ball and I feel this way more than ever.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:36 pm to themunch
1. Gotta have shooters no ifs ands or buts who can drain 3's or consistently hit 10ft on out jumpers.
2. If you don't have a good ball handler dribbling through the gaps would result in a quick trap and a turnover. True 2-3 he would have to either kick out or see #3 below.
3. An athletic center who can get to the rim without putting the ball on the floor (catch and shoot, alley,pnr,etc..)
Normally you'd go to a zone if you are trying to force the team to take outside shots or they are better man to man than you. Uou normally know real fast if you should be in a man or zone..if scouting reports don't reveal it.
2. If you don't have a good ball handler dribbling through the gaps would result in a quick trap and a turnover. True 2-3 he would have to either kick out or see #3 below.
3. An athletic center who can get to the rim without putting the ball on the floor (catch and shoot, alley,pnr,etc..)
Normally you'd go to a zone if you are trying to force the team to take outside shots or they are better man to man than you. Uou normally know real fast if you should be in a man or zone..if scouting reports don't reveal it.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:51 pm to karralum
Anyone notice us trying to run the weave several times before realizing they were in a zone? 
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:55 pm to karralum
quote:
karralum
Thank you. This guy gets it.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:52 pm to Number 31
quote:
karralum
Thank you. This guy gets it.
You mean he agrees with you and the rest of the low basketball IQ mob (we need to shoot 3's against a zone crowd) that call themselves LSU basketball fans. Sigh...
You don't have to dribble thru the gap to be successful... you just have to get two people to guard you. Not saying that's the only way to beat it but it's very effective. There's some other wrinkles that work too.
This argument is pretty similar to the bozos that scream that LSU needs to "run designed plays" to be successful. They're also the same ones that think the only screen is an on ball screen.
The hardest things to defend and gameplan against are teams that have guards that can break down defenders off the dribble and teams that run constant motion with off ball "improv" screening. These really can't be mocked in opponents practices and are constant traits of teams that go deep into the tournament.... well, that and play defense of course which is an entirely different conversation.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:55 pm to karralum
quote:
If you don't have a good ball handler dribbling through the gaps would result in a quick trap and a turnover.
This is ridiculous. If you're a guard playing collegiate basketball in the SEC you should be able to dribble a gab in the zone and not turn the ball over. Just because you've watched LSU players do it doesn't mean it can't be done.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 5:23 am to setinways12
quote:
This is ridiculous. If you're a guard playing collegiate basketball in the SEC you should be able to dribble a gab in the zone and not turn the ball over. Just because you've watched LSU players do it doesn't mean it can't be done.
You proved my point.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:21 am to karralum
quote:
You proved my point.
No didn't.... you're saying that the current players aren't capable. My point is the coaches aren't teaching this.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:06 pm to setinways12
quote:
setinways12
You've obviously never played basketball and don't know the difference between a man defense and zone defense. There's no point in talking to you.
You're the definition of a "low basketball IQ" idiot who calls himself and LSU fan.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:08 pm to themunch
Hey Johnny, glad you've finally decided to ask for help.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:14 pm to themunch
Three common ways:
1. Deadeye shooting from the peremiter, aka "zone busters" like Chris Jackson.
2. Rapid ball movement around perimter to flex defense to one side of the court which can open up a weakside matchup before the defense has time to recover. This allows a strong one on one player a chance to drive or stop and pop from shorter range than perimeter.
3. You will often see ateam run a weave at top of the key to try and create a dribble drive lane to the basket where the ball handler can shoot it or dish it.
Another variant that I have seen UK use is to play Isiah Briscoe at the top of the lane just inside the zone D perimeter. The object here is to get him the ball and draw a double team and dish to open man or if DT not there take it to the rim. He Has an exceptional ability for his short size to drive the lane. Many teams would do this with a larger power forward.
Big issue here is that if you dont shoot well from the perimeter you are screwed because the zone will just sag back in the lane and wait for you to lauch bricks
1. Deadeye shooting from the peremiter, aka "zone busters" like Chris Jackson.
2. Rapid ball movement around perimter to flex defense to one side of the court which can open up a weakside matchup before the defense has time to recover. This allows a strong one on one player a chance to drive or stop and pop from shorter range than perimeter.
3. You will often see ateam run a weave at top of the key to try and create a dribble drive lane to the basket where the ball handler can shoot it or dish it.
Another variant that I have seen UK use is to play Isiah Briscoe at the top of the lane just inside the zone D perimeter. The object here is to get him the ball and draw a double team and dish to open man or if DT not there take it to the rim. He Has an exceptional ability for his short size to drive the lane. Many teams would do this with a larger power forward.
Big issue here is that if you dont shoot well from the perimeter you are screwed because the zone will just sag back in the lane and wait for you to lauch bricks
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:36 pm to setinways12
quote:
No didn't.... you're saying that the current players aren't capable. My point is the coaches aren't teaching this
Stop while you are ahead. You're proving my point even though you are trying so hard not to.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:39 pm to BearTiger
quote:
It always amazes me when college teams look clueless against a 2-3 zone.
Bub I was sitting about 15 rows up in New Mexico many moons ago watching a team full of 6'3" and less white guys from Wisconsin make Jabari, Stromile, Beshara, etc look like fools....and I was thinking the same thing
Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:57 pm to karralum
quote:
Stop while you are ahead. You're proving my point even though you are trying so hard not to.
You don't make much sense bruh.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 12:58 pm
Page 2 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News