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How can valentine be this bad? Is he a victim
Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:28 am
Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:28 am
Alexander, a highly touted rookie out of St. Thomas Aquinas, played several series in the win over Southern Miss while coaches purposely sat junior college transfer Travonte Valentine. Valentine did not practice well enough leading up to the win over the Golden Eagles, and he's still behind, Orgeron said.
“He’s a little bit behind in his technique," the coach said. "Ed Alexander is ahead of him. Right now, he’s on the third team. A lot of times, the third-team guys don’t get a lot of reps. If so, he may get some reps, but I see (starter) Greg Gilmore and Ed Alexander getting more reps than him.”
“He’s a little bit behind in his technique," the coach said. "Ed Alexander is ahead of him. Right now, he’s on the third team. A lot of times, the third-team guys don’t get a lot of reps. If so, he may get some reps, but I see (starter) Greg Gilmore and Ed Alexander getting more reps than him.”
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Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:29 am to GermantownTiger
Ed was rated higher as a recruit. Maybe he is just really good.
Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:29 am to GermantownTiger
He was punished for usm also.
Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:31 am to rattlebucket
All I know if Gilmore is garbage. Watch him at nose on running plays and he is pushed 5 yards back almost every time. When we get to bama, ark, and Florida, this will be a huge issue.
Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:32 am to GermantownTiger
Sounds like he needs to stay out of the mess hall and get in the gym.
I honestly think everyone on here is looking into this too much. TV will be fine.
I honestly think everyone on here is looking into this too much. TV will be fine.
Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:32 am to GermantownTiger
When there are talented guys behind you you can't take days off. It's like those old Miami teams, nobody wanted to come off the field because they didn't know if they would ever get back in.
This post was edited on 10/22/16 at 7:41 am
Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:36 am to GermantownTiger
He can redeem himself. All he has to do is keep collapsing the O/L and stay in the Ole Miss backfield all night long. Bingo!
Hey Travonte'......just do it!
Hey Travonte'......just do it!
This post was edited on 10/22/16 at 7:45 am
Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:36 am to GermantownTiger
When so much bigger than everyone, one can often get by on natural abilities
Staff sees an ability to improves. Hopefully valentine will take advantage of the opportunities presented to him
Staff sees an ability to improves. Hopefully valentine will take advantage of the opportunities presented to him
Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:44 am to GermantownTiger
I think there is a lot more to this than what is written apparently.
There have been a couple of threads started here that have stated that Valentine disrespected one of the coaches "supposedly it was Pete Jenkins" at a practice and that is why he was benched for the entire game last week and if this is true then probably why he was demoted to 3rd string.
I have no clue if the rumor is true but to go from this summers comments from teammates and coaches "he is no blockable, he eats up double teams" etc.... to demoted to 3rd team, sounds like there maybe a lot of truth to the rumors.
There have been a couple of threads started here that have stated that Valentine disrespected one of the coaches "supposedly it was Pete Jenkins" at a practice and that is why he was benched for the entire game last week and if this is true then probably why he was demoted to 3rd string.
I have no clue if the rumor is true but to go from this summers comments from teammates and coaches "he is no blockable, he eats up double teams" etc.... to demoted to 3rd team, sounds like there maybe a lot of truth to the rumors.
Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:44 am to BulkLogan1
I know the credentials of the guys choosing to play Gilmore:
Ed Orgeron: An accomplished DL coach who is the interim HC and trying desperately to win the position on a permanent basis
Pete Jenkins: one of the greatest, most accomplished DL coaches in the history of football and who doesn't give a sick rat's arse about anyone's opinion because he is NOT trying to win the job permanently..
Neither of these dudes are playing anyone that they are not convinced give LSU the best chance to win.
So, you rate Gilmore as "garbage". Please tell me what are your credentials so I can weigh the evidence more appropriately.
TIA
Ed Orgeron: An accomplished DL coach who is the interim HC and trying desperately to win the position on a permanent basis
Pete Jenkins: one of the greatest, most accomplished DL coaches in the history of football and who doesn't give a sick rat's arse about anyone's opinion because he is NOT trying to win the job permanently..
Neither of these dudes are playing anyone that they are not convinced give LSU the best chance to win.
So, you rate Gilmore as "garbage". Please tell me what are your credentials so I can weigh the evidence more appropriately.
TIA
This post was edited on 10/22/16 at 7:46 am
Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:46 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
BOOM
Posted on 10/22/16 at 7:53 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
Just because he is starting doesn't mean he's the best on the team or even good. Valentine was benched for poor attitude/practice. The only other option is a true freshman in Alexander who barely qualified late.
Posted on 10/22/16 at 8:01 am to GermantownTiger
I think he could have been over hyped somewhat. Combine that with the rumors of being out of shape and having a possible attitude problem and we see where it landed him.
Hope he can turn it around.
Hope he can turn it around.
Posted on 10/22/16 at 8:07 am to GermantownTiger
Orgeron has a practice standard that Valentine is not meeting. It doesn't matter who you are....you gotta bring it when practicing for this coach.
UIltimately, this demotion is good for Valentine and the program as a whole. Folks are gonna start working their asses off to stay on the first team.
UIltimately, this demotion is good for Valentine and the program as a whole. Folks are gonna start working their asses off to stay on the first team.
Posted on 10/22/16 at 8:07 am to GermantownTiger
quote:
Is he a victim
frick no. He's lazy with a shite attitude(allegedly). This is 100% on Trevonte Valentine and Trevonte Valentine alone.
Posted on 10/22/16 at 8:16 am to GermantownTiger
Where is the "overhyped" evaluation coming from? Valentine has been terrific when he has played. He hasn't played as much as expected but that may be due to attitude or practice habits or whatever. He is a dominant NT, though. His performance is not "overhyped".
Posted on 10/22/16 at 8:20 am to Grillades
Coach O with Pete Jenkins
2 of the most respected coaches of DL in the history of football period
get real - Coach O would bench his momma if he thought it woud help the team to win a game - the dude has to win every game to get the dream job !!!
2 of the most respected coaches of DL in the history of football period
get real - Coach O would bench his momma if he thought it woud help the team to win a game - the dude has to win every game to get the dream job !!!
Posted on 10/22/16 at 8:24 am to Grillades
Classic example of fans liking one player no matter what. players should EARN playing time. TV needs to pull his head out of his a$$!
Posted on 10/22/16 at 8:40 am to sosaysmorvant
quote:
UIltimately, this demotion is good for Valentine and the program as a whole. Folks are gonna start working their asses off to stay on the first team.
This.
TV needs to wake up.
Posted on 10/22/16 at 9:01 am to 0
quote:Of all the kinds of attitude those guys had, this was one of the more virtuous one's. They looked forward to competing with each other and the opponent.
When there are talented guys behind you you can't take days off. It's like those old Miami teams, nobody wanted to come off the field because they didn't know if they would ever get back in.
quote:That's it, nothing cures bad impressions more than excellent results. He has to make the most of every chance though... and that includes in practice. It is a never ending interview with this staff.
He can redeem himself. All he has to do is keep collapsing the O/L and stay in the Ole Miss backfield all night long. Bingo! Hey Travonte'......just do it!
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