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How Can JJ be this Bad at Coaching?

Posted on 1/19/17 at 9:07 am
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 9:07 am
How can someone who spent most of his adult life in one sport not be better at the fundamental elements that are required to be successful? I just don't get it.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 9:10 am
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20405 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 9:21 am to
Yeah, you would think a former point guard would have some concept of the game; when to pressure on defense, when to push tempo, when to calm down and run set plays for your main low post players etc. At the very least, noticing when the team is rattled and needs a timeout.
Posted by Cherry Cheesecake
Prairieville, LA
Member since Oct 2010
938 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 9:34 am to
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How Can JJ be this Bad at Coaching?


JJ Applauds LSU's Lethargic Energy in First Half

I always go back to this for proof

Posted by setinways12
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
989 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:55 am to
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How can someone who spent most of his adult life in one sport not be better at the fundamental elements that are required to be successful? I just don't get it.


Because good players don't necessarily make good coaches....and he played for Dale Brown who from an X's and O's standpoint was just as bad as JJ... that's all he knows.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 10:56 am
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27523 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:04 am to
Think about this....three years ago he had O'Bryant, Martin and Mickey in his front court. No way we should not have been at least an Elite 8 team just with those guys....Brady would have done it. Two years ago with Martin and Mickey alone he should have put NC State away and gone on a hell raising tour of the NCAA tourney after that. Last year he had Simmons, Blakeney, Hornsby and Quarteman...should have at least made the Sweet 16 by just giving these guys the ball and telling them to just go play and he could sit down and look good in his suit.
Posted by TheBaker
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:59 am to
Well, his mentor had Shaq, Stanley Roberts, and Chris Jackson and didn't make it to the sweet 16. Furthermore, Brown had Shaq for THREE YEARS and never made it past the 2nd round of the NCAA's. The big glaring difference between JJ and Dale Brown...Brown was a master motivator and master communicator, which compensated significantly for his lack of coaching. JJ is NEITHER of the aforementioned two traits.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10233 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:06 pm to
Brown's teams could play defense at least, there is nothing remotely resembling a game plan shown during the few minutes I have been able to watch this. That team you mentioned also had Vernel Singleton. Other than Brown's first final 4 team that was no doubt the most talented men's BB team in LSU history.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 12:13 pm
Posted by radicalizedtigah
Member since Aug 2016
3495 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:09 pm to
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How Can JJ be this Bad at Coaching?


The Dale Brown coaching tree.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43127 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:13 pm to
And for the x's and o's vs player level folks, it doesn't really matter. You need to be good a both.

Corporate America looks at failed employees as either a hiring problem or training problem. When you're ultimately in charge of both, you're cooked.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73503 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:15 pm to
I'm convinced that this team would be far better with no coach.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14500 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:39 pm to
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How Can JJ be this Bad at Coaching? by TigerFanNKatyHow can someone who spent most of his adult life in one sport not be better at the fundamental elements that are required to be successful? I just don't get it.


I don't think it's the nuts an bolts of coaching that's the problem. Sure he left the Aussie kid in there in crunch time yesterday, that was poor coaching in that sense.

But I've seen CJJ do a chalk talk on defending the ball screen. He touched on all the points all coaches do. There are only so many ways to coach it and most coach it basically the same way. Johnny was no exception.

However, what you see on the court is way too often not what I saw in that chalk talk. Sometimes it was effort on the kids part or whatever but it just wasn't getting from the practice court to the games nearly consistently enough.

And therein IMHO lies the rub. Accountability, motivation, whatever you want to call it....I think that's CJJ's downfall.

And the fact that we are patting the kids on the back for finally displaying consistent effort and not quitting is as telling of that and IMHO as sad as anything.

You are SUPPOSED to play hard and not quit...ALL THE TIME...not just every now and then. You don't get a cookie for every now and then doing what you should always do.
Posted by Mrwhodat
Member since Dec 2015
10296 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:05 pm to
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How can someone who spent most of his adult life in one sport not be better at the fundamental elements that are required to be successful? I just don't get it.



Not all students can become the teacher. But, maybe, this former student can become the new coach:

Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18138 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:20 pm to
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The big glaring difference between JJ and Dale Brown...Brown was a master motivator and master communicator, which compensated significantly for his lack of coaching. JJ is NEITHER of the aforementioned two traits.

this is 100% correct. Dale could cover his x-and-o coaching deficiencies with motivation and demanding intensity from his players, especially on defense. Johnny doesn't do that.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 1:40 pm
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
12352 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:42 pm to
That is the main argument for keeping him : It is not really possible for anyone to be this bad.
Posted by DArbonneDuke
D'Arbonne, LA
Member since Nov 2005
1462 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:59 pm to
Dale also had Ron Abernathy as an assistant and a pretty good Xs&Os guy.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 2:39 pm to
Johnny Jones could GAF less about anyone on his staff. He relies on them for jack squat during a game. Doesn't take input, doesn't talk with them. Nothing.
Posted by JWill409
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
1147 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 2:45 pm to
Has to do with a bunch of different things. Maybe he's never grown since he was a player and won't adapt. Maybe his expectations are too low. Maybe there's no standard. Maybe he can't teach the game as well as he learned it. Maybe he wasn't taught properly. Maybe it was outdated. Who knows. There's a reason there are coaches that played the game at the higher levels and there are reasons you can have a coach that was a bench player on his high school team.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20405 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:38 pm to
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How can someone who spent most of his adult life in one sport not be better at the fundamental elements that are required to be successful? I just don't get it.


Because good players don't necessarily make good coaches
False flag... JJ wasn't a good player, he was a role player at point. Good players can run into trouble as coaches when they expect or demand their players live up to their own level of play. JJ has guys better than he was, so he should be able to draw on his own experiences as to what worked for him, and then tap into the added dimensions his players have.

Example: Josh Gray. He was as quick as JJ was, and had better driving skills, and probably a better jumper (not that it was great). At the very least, he could have guided Gray as a mentor for the quick guard role, so he wouldn't have been so lost out there on the court. Then, he should have been able to incorporate the driving ability, and teach him to pass in the interior, to the various big men we've had. Gray could have been a very good player in the right system, a system that has potential NBA forwards that could profit from a guard getting into the lane at will... and that was what we had. We never saw that.
Posted by NickyT
Patty's Pub
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:44 pm to
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Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
6889 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:55 pm to
It makes you wonder why JJ went to the trouble of having assistant coaches, since he never seems toseek the input, and he could definitely use it.
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