- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Here's my theory on Les
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:40 am
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:40 am
It wasn't Saban's players Les won with; it was his culture. Saban built a culture of extreme discipline. Players were conditioned to "do their job." That culture didn't disappear with the last of the Saban players. It was passed down by the players and was gradually attenuated until there is none left.
Les hit a mother load of talent in 2009, and got a spike in performance out of that, including the 2011 undefeated SEC championship. Other than that, play gradually deteriorated under Miles due to poor discipline.
All the talk about spreading the field and "modern offenses" was mis-directed. The offensive scheme was fine, and not much different from Bama's; they just couldn't execute it worth a damn
Miles did enough things well to be a good coach. But his inability to build in discipline prevented him from being great. And at today's LSU only greatness is acceptable.
I was, and am, a Miles fan, but it was time. His weaknesses were only getting worse with age.
Les hit a mother load of talent in 2009, and got a spike in performance out of that, including the 2011 undefeated SEC championship. Other than that, play gradually deteriorated under Miles due to poor discipline.
All the talk about spreading the field and "modern offenses" was mis-directed. The offensive scheme was fine, and not much different from Bama's; they just couldn't execute it worth a damn
Miles did enough things well to be a good coach. But his inability to build in discipline prevented him from being great. And at today's LSU only greatness is acceptable.
I was, and am, a Miles fan, but it was time. His weaknesses were only getting worse with age.
13
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:43 am to Penrod
Ok.
Whatever it was is over, and has been for almost a week now. Let it go and move on.
Whatever it was is over, and has been for almost a week now. Let it go and move on.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:45 am to Penrod
I like the "process". At LSU we didn't have one.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:45 am to Penrod
quote:
Here's my theory on Les by Penrod
was still coaching the same tactics that Bo coached when he played. hence the "big cat" drill.
now.........all of a sudden.......we have a coach that will put the players in a film room and a meeting room and get them to learn the "little" things that they need to learn in order to win games that they are supposed to win.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:46 am to Hold That Tiger 10
People can't move on. They will be discussing this for years. Wait until the new hire loses their first game.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:52 am to tigerdup07
quote:
now.........all of a sudden.......we have a coach that will put the players in a film room
Now...we have Cam Cameron, an NFL offensive coordinator!
Now...Cam Cameron will be on the sidelines!
Now...we have Aranda!
Now...Cam will be in the press box again seeing what the defense's weaknesses are!
The truth is, Now...we don't have shite. But if we make a great hire we might. I'll bet on this: if Orgeron has enough success to force his hire as permanent coach, it will set this program back years. There's a reason he's 55 and making 20% as much as Tom Herman makes at 41.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 7:54 am
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:54 am to Penrod
quote:
Other than that, play gradually deteriorated under Miles due to poor discipline.
Didn't seem to affect the defense though.
quote:
All the talk about spreading the field and "modern offenses" was mis-directed. The offensive scheme was fine, and not much different from Bama's; they just couldn't execute it worth a damn
But it is different from Bama's. The offense esp as run under Jennings and Harris was not functional. With Etling the offense sporadically looked like a functional unit but still wasn't consistent. I mean, "execution" is not done in a vacuum. Players can't execute when the defense knows what's coming.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:55 am to Penrod
Success is not something that is deposited. If that were the case we would have been fine after Arnsberger. Why do people insist on trying to give Saban credit for the things that Miles accomplished? Bunch of idiots.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:55 am to Penrod
quote:
The truth is, Now...we don't have shite. But if we make a great hire we might. I'll bet on this: if Orgeron has enough success to force his hire as permanent coach, it will set this program back years. There's a reason he's 55 and making 20% as much as Tom Herman makes at 41.
you're right penrod.
coaches with shitty records WILL NEVER EVER have a good record one day. to think otherwise is obsurd.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:55 am to Penrod
quote:
if Orgeron has enough success to force his hire as permanent coach, it will set this program back years.
Doubtful
It all depends on how he rounds out his staff if he is the permanent coach.
If he can keep recruiting going and retain Aranda and bring on a top flight OC like Kiffin then he can maintain a strong program.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:56 am to Powerman
quote:
If he can keep recruiting
he's always been the greatest at this.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:57 am to Penrod
quote:
The offensive scheme was fine, and not much different from Bama's; they just couldn't execute it worth a damn
You had me until this point.
Les had a serial inability to get the ball into the hands of his playmakers and he lost faith in the passing game completely.
But spot on with the discipline comments.
If we eliminated 20% of the false start penalties and simply utilized the slant route and our TE's Les is probably still here with another title to his credit.
It was beyond time for him to go.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:58 am to tigerdup07
bash him all you want, the offense was good under crowton
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:03 am to Penrod
Maybe you should listen the ex QB McElroy explain how Saban and Kiffen changed the offence to fit each QB's strength before you make your assertions.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:06 am to higgins
07 and 08 offenses were good minus the pick 6s. 09 and 10 were pretty terrible
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:09 am to Penrod
quote:
All the talk about spreading the field and "modern offenses" was mis-directed. The offensive scheme was fine, and not much different from Bama's; they just couldn't execute it worth a damn
I agree but with on caveat. Les got so predictable it became impossible to execute.
quote:
I was, and am, a Miles fan, but it was time. His weaknesses were only getting worse with age.
This. He lost me last season when I saw he squandered the entire season up to the Bama game and never developed a passing game. What made it worse was his vague press briefings and speeches became irritating when we lost games.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:13 am to biglego
quote:
Didn't seem to affect the defense though
Are you kidding? The defense was terrible in 2013 and 2014. And in 2015 the defense was manhandled during our November swoon.
quote:
The offense esp as run under Jennings and Harris was not functional.
Agreed. But a lack of execution, particularly from the QB, caused Cam to limit the offense. Even with Etling it was a little ragged.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:15 am to Penrod
quote:
Are you kidding? The defense was terrible in 2013 and 2014. And in 2015 the defense was manhandled during our November swoon.
Thats what happens when you only take one defensive lineman in the 2012 class and crap the bed on LB recruiting after that.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 8:16 am
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:16 am to GetmorewithLes
when Darrel Williams came in the game my wife said, "they'll put him at FB and he'll run up the middle". When my wife, a casual observer at best, knows what plays are going to be run it's time for a change.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:18 am to tigerdup07
quote:
coaches with shitty records WILL NEVER EVER have a good record one day. to think otherwise is obsurd
Caught the sarcasm.
If O had followed his failures as a head coach with a stellar record as an admired defensive coordinator, I would be more open minded.
Take Kiffen, as an example. Yeah, he failed, but he's still in high demand as an architect of offenses.
I don't say it's impossible that O would succeed. It's just a long shot. Why would LSU take a long shot when we could get much better odds with a Tom Herman or someone similar?
Page 1 of 2
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News