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re: Harris FB Post
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:55 am to BeeFense5
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:55 am to BeeFense5
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Just like a bad game plan is the coaches fault, bad passes are definitely his fault too. Not sure how what you are saying makes sense.
I agree...but they didn't do him or this offense any favors.
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:58 am to BeeFense5
You are fricking miserable
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:59 am to KyrieElaison
It happens to be a cliche.It also happens to be true.So let's see how this team handles the big demoralizing pile of steaming shite that the neighborhood bully dropped on them again last Saturday.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:59 am to SabiDojo
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The coaches failed you.
O-Line didn't really help either. Pretty sure Grimes hadn't been game planning how to get manhandled, flattened, over-powered, & flat out beat. Bama OWNED the O-line & it wasn't even close. I don't know what play calls would've changed the outcome, the bama D-line was on top of anyone & everyone before plays began to materialize. No matter what the play call is, if the O-Line is being used as a revolving door to the backfield/pocket, good things will not happen.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:02 am to walkinonwater
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ow can you say it was already over before it began. We were tied before that shite kickoff after being down by 10.
Honestly, it's gut check time. I believe the team felt like they were lucky to have tied the game up. Even at 13-10 coming out after halftime and after the interception, as a whole offensively, they didn't seem to have that fight in them.
When you go into the locker room at the half as a player you can look around and get a feel of the room. I wonder what it was like at halftime knowing they were only down by 3? I believe these guys may have been more shocked than "fired up". I believe they played hard, but after a half of football, they may have realized they weren't mentally or physically prepared for this.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:03 am to TIGERFANZZ
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O-Line didn't really help either. Pretty sure Grimes hadn't been game planning how to get manhandled, flattened, over-powered, & flat out beat. Bama OWNED the O-line & it wasn't even close. I don't know what play calls would've changed the outcome, the bama D-line was on top of anyone & everyone before plays began to materialize. No matter what the play call is, if the O-Line is being used as a revolving door to the backfield/pocket, good things will not happen.
LSU will not always have the superior talent against an opponent. That's where coaching comes into play. Kiffin proved that this weekend. Miles did too.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:06 am to 1999
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brandon made some bad throws but it's not his fault.. game was over before it began.
bullshite
It was a bad offensive gameplan....but
LSU was down 13-10 to start the second half, thanks to a 55 yard field goal where Saban finally got lucky on one of his long field goal attempts. BH came out and made a horrible pass to start the second half, and it changed the entire tone of the game.....one in which LSU had taken some momentum at the end of the first half. Had they moved the ball, and took the lead, while allowing the defense to rest....this game potentially turns out completely different. As it was, after that pass, it is like the team folded.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:09 am to 1999
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game was over before it began.
it was a 3pt game at half bro...
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:11 am to TIGERFANZZ
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TIGERFANZZ
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O-Line didn't really help either. Pretty sure Grimes hadn't been game planning how to get manhandled, flattened, over-powered, & flat out beat. Bama OWNED the O-line & it wasn't even close. I don't know what play calls would've changed the outcome, the bama D-line was on top of anyone & everyone before plays began to materialize. No matter what the play call is, if the O-Line is being used as a revolving door to the backfield/pocket, good things will not happen.
The blocking scheme was ridiculous. You can combat being manhandled-and the lack of your running game-by going to 3-and-5 step drops with quick sticks to the TE or quick slants. Packaged plays off of draws would get LF7 to the 2nd level very quickly.
When you use these plays though, the blocking scheme should shift to quick cuts or initial punch followed by a cut.
I know for a fact these kids know how to cut block and its a technique Grimey knows how to coach. We just never went to it. We also rarely varied where we set the pocket up for BH6, which gave Bama little to have to think about pre-snap. They knew where their target was once they read pass.
We never rolled protection pre-snap when putting BH6 on the move. We never ran to the edge outside of the C-Gap with a toss to try and get Bama's massive, lumbering DL moving side to side.
Now, whose responsible for this you ask? Well the plays are Cam and Les. With input from the staff. Technique is on Grimey but I know for a fact that Les will rewrite blocking schemes and assignments on his OL Coaches and has done it repeatedly in the past, causing at least one to depart and to go on to coach at multiple P5 and SEC stops subsequent to his departure.
To me, I put this on Miles. This is on Les. Squarely.
People can talk about getting manhandled. They're absolutely right. But there are ways to combat that using blocking technique, scheme and playcalls that we never even came close to using.
IMO-it's criminal to watch those kids get manhandled and not try a different approach. That's on the coaches.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:12 am to SabiDojo
quote:Sometimes I wonder if we script the first 15 plays. Based on how we start the games, I'm still questioning that. We had 2 weeks to look at their tendencies, but we come out running the same shite we always run. We didn't scheme any plays geared toward exposing their weaknesses. In those first 15 plays we could have made them adjust, but we allowed them to play towards their strength.
With our game plan and the players the used to execute that game plan, this game was over before it began
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:13 am to Solo Cam
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Brandon was getting crushed all night and the coaches were forcing him to throw in poor down and distances. He missed a couple
LOL...a couple...
I love this site.
There was no one within three yards of him when he threw that terrible interception that completely changed the momentum of the game, after LSU had come back. He did get pressure, but he was absolutely horrible when rolling out and trying to throw...which is where I thought he would make bama pay. He was off, for some reason, on those throws though. It concerned me greatly on the first throw of the night when he threw it five feet over the rec's head.....it reminded me of Auburn last year and the stage being to big.
I agree the gameplan was pathetic.....but BH didn't help himself or the team with his performance. Hopefully we chalk it up to a lesson learned and experience gained.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:19 am to sjmabry
Two things about this game:
1. LSU's game plan was atrocious. They came out and tried to impose their will, like always, and run between the tackles out of I-form. That's fine, but when it failed, the "big" adjustment was to lineup in shotgun......and run between the tackles. When that failed, they had no other adjustments in place.
It was pretty clear the coaching staff believed they could move the ball between the tackles and had no contingency plan in place if it failed.
2. The INT to start the second half was a blow that LSU never recovered from. The offense looked shell shocked and the defense was gassed with 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.
1. LSU's game plan was atrocious. They came out and tried to impose their will, like always, and run between the tackles out of I-form. That's fine, but when it failed, the "big" adjustment was to lineup in shotgun......and run between the tackles. When that failed, they had no other adjustments in place.
It was pretty clear the coaching staff believed they could move the ball between the tackles and had no contingency plan in place if it failed.
2. The INT to start the second half was a blow that LSU never recovered from. The offense looked shell shocked and the defense was gassed with 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:21 am to Will2nd
quote:We were down three only because of a bad kick and a once-in-a-season Field Goal. And we were getting the ball back. If they were too shellshocked and in awe of Bama to go out there and put it all on the line, they have a fricking confidence and attitude problem.
Honestly, it's gut check time. I believe the team felt like they were lucky to have tied the game up. Even at 13-10 coming out after halftime and after the interception, as a whole offensively, they didn't seem to have that fight in them.
When you go into the locker room at the half as a player you can look around and get a feel of the room. I wonder what it was like at halftime knowing they were only down by 3? I believe these guys may have been more shocked than "fired up". I believe they played hard, but after a half of football, they may have realized they weren't mentally or physically prepared for this.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:22 am to S
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You are fricking miserable
What?
My question is relevant.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:27 am to BeeFense5
BeeFense5:
- Rips "negatigers" for not being true LSU fans when they question the coach.
- Bashes players to defend coach.
- Rips "negatigers" for not being true LSU fans when they question the coach.
- Bashes players to defend coach.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:27 am to PortCityTiger24
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Bashes players to defend coach.
Link to me "bashing" players
Saying that throwing bad passes is the fault of the guy throwing the passes is not a bash. Its an observable fact.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:34 am to RB10
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It was pretty clear the coaching staff believed they could move the ball between the tackles and had no contingency plan in place if it failed.
Absolutely spot on!
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The INT to start the second half was a blow that LSU never recovered from.
People just wanting to bash don't get this. This is CRITICAL to the outcome of the game. Had LSU moved the ball down the field and either tied the game or took the lead....the momentum and confidence factor would have been huge...not to mention it would have given the defense more time to rest. The three and outs were killing us...but this one play right here...an unforced error....completely changed the game imo. People underestimate the value of momentum...while at the same time this turnover completely deflated the team and put the Defense back on the field.
Anyone notice how much better the defense played when LSU made that run in the second quarter?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:35 am to BeeFense5
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Just like a bad game plan is the coaches fault, bad passes are definitely his fault too. Not sure how what you are saying makes sense.
Its because you're too stupid and too much of a Miles homer to understand.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:37 am to 1999
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brandon made some bad throws but it's not his fault
Why weren't the bad throws his fault? He made them.
Multiple people share fault in the loss. It isn't all on coaching or the players.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:38 am to BeeFense5
[quote]Saying that throwing bad passes is the fault of the guy throwing the passes is not a bash. Its an observable fact.
Anything that takes away from making it all the coaches fault is not what these guys want to hear. The coaches, led by Miles, put together a shitty gameplan....with no contingencies.....and while BH was rushed all night....so what...he is mobile...move around, roll out....he had several chances where he was able to throw the ball and he made very poor passes. The coaching staff certainly didn't do him any favors, but he has GOT to make some of those passes. It's not always going to be perfect conditions....the real winners and leaders find a way to get it done. I think BH can get there, but the stage was just a little to big for him again. I think he learns from it...and my hunch is next time...it won't be to big.
Anything that takes away from making it all the coaches fault is not what these guys want to hear. The coaches, led by Miles, put together a shitty gameplan....with no contingencies.....and while BH was rushed all night....so what...he is mobile...move around, roll out....he had several chances where he was able to throw the ball and he made very poor passes. The coaching staff certainly didn't do him any favors, but he has GOT to make some of those passes. It's not always going to be perfect conditions....the real winners and leaders find a way to get it done. I think BH can get there, but the stage was just a little to big for him again. I think he learns from it...and my hunch is next time...it won't be to big.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 9:39 am
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