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re: Frank Wilson for head coach, keep other coaches when miles retires?
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:27 am to RBWilliams8
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:27 am to RBWilliams8
Wilson is a loonnngg ways from being a HC.
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:38 am to tigerbait2010
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Just make cam head coach and frank OC. There's not a chance in hell can cameron would work under frank with his head coaching experience
I'd much rather have Frank as HC than Cam. Cam's HC record is fricking terrible.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:40 am to Moustache
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I'd much rather have Frank as HC than Cam.
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Cam's HC record is fricking terrible.
From 13 years ago... At fricking Indiana. And his offenses were great. I'm sorry, but his record at Indiana doesn't really mean anything to me. If he can prove to still have great offenses and attract top flight offensive skill players he could be very successful here or anywhere, considering we can afford to have top defensive coaches and can recruit defensive players here.
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 9:42 am
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:44 am to Ponchy Tiger
yeah i think miles is here for another 5+ yrs. He'd probably have the ability to coach a lot longer but i think he's a guy that actually enjoys his family and would retire at a decent age to actually enjoy a retirement. you know, like normal people should.
i think guys like saban and meyer will drop dead on the field.
i think guys like saban and meyer will drop dead on the field.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:51 am to RBWilliams8
Absolutely not! Besides we have Les for another 5+ years IMO so this thread is pointless
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:54 am to RBWilliams8
It's pretty much a no brainer I'd take Cam. Chavis is happy as a cordinator, he doesn't want HC responsibilties. You can take the other 3 out of the conversation, especially Moffit he's a strength coach!
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:55 am to lsu2006
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From 13 years ago... At fricking Indiana
You act as if a HC can't have a decent record at a small school.
What about Northwestern's coach? He at least had some winning seasons.
What about Baylor? Art Briles has shown success there.
What about UCF? O'Leary's certainly had success.
What about Purdue? Joe Tiller had success there.
What about Duke and the success Cutcliffe is having?
All of these schools at one point in time, someone could've said "at fricking xxxxx"
You make it sound like it isnt' possible for a good HC to produce results at a small school. It doesn't look bad to you that he couldn't produce not ONE winning season with one of the most dynamic QBs in big 10 history? And you completely ignore he was the HC for one of the worst seasons in NFL history. Seems like a classic case of good coordinator, bad coach to me.
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I'm sorry, but his record at Indiana doesn't really mean anything to me.
It should. It's been proven time and time again, even at a program in the same state (Purdue) that small school can have success or at least a winning season.
Also, what would you consider Les' best skill? Most would say recruiting. Why not continue that with Frank and leave Frank to hire good coordinators. Pretty much keeping in continuity. If LSU doesn't look outside (which they fricking should) for the next hire, then I'd rather Wilson be named HC over Cam. At least Wilson is a good recruiter. Cam is unproven as a recruiter.
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:01 am to Moustache
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You act as if a HC can't have a decent record at a small school.
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You make it sound like it isnt' possible for a good HC to produce results at a small school.
And you make it sound like just because he didn't have success 13 years ago at the historically and unequivocally worst program in the Big Ten that he can't have success at a huge football powerhouse like LSU.
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It doesn't look bad to you that he couldn't produce not ONE winning season with one of the most dynamic QBs in big 10 history?
You really think it was the fault of their offense that they never had a winning season?
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Also, what would you consider Les' best skill? Most would say recruiting. Why not continue that with Frank?
You grossly underestimate the administrative and managerial skills it takes to run a program like LSU. Wilson needs more experience before he can step into that role. His recruiting will absolutely be a huge tool for him, though.
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And you completely ignore he was the HC for one of the worst seasons in NFL history.
As anyone should. NFL =/= College.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:16 am to lsu2006
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nd you make it sound like just because he didn't have success 13 years ago at the historically and unequivocally worst program in the Big Ten that he can't have success at a huge football powerhouse like LSU.
No, I'm saying that he isn't a proven recruiter and he has never had a winning record as a HC. It is literally mind-boggling how people are totally throwing logic out the window here. I understand Indiana isn't a very good program, but frick, at least ONE winning season or .500 season. It's not impossible. It's been done there before, as recently as 2007. And Cam has never done it, despite lucking into one of the most electric players in B1G history.
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ou really think it was the fault of their offense that they never had a winning season?
Last time I checked, HC is in charge of more than just the offense. Other offensive coaches have managed to have success with terrible programs (Duke, Baylor, etc.)
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You grossly underestimate the administrative and managerial skills it takes to run a program like LSU. Wilson needs more experience before he can step into that role. His recruiting will absolutely be a huge tool for him, though.
What makes you think Cam has the requisite skills necessary? He's lost EVERYWHERE he's been HC. Frank, on the other hand, knows the landscape in LA, he is the best recruiter in the nation, and has been an understudy to one of the better head coaches in the nation. I'm not saying I want FW to be named, but I'm saying if the choice is FW or CC, the choice is easily FW. A position coach has worked out several times in history. Most recently, Dabo Swinney transforming Clemson to a great program.
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As anyone should. NFL =/= College.
I agree. But even most failed NFL HCs at least were decent or close to .500 (Carroll-before SEA, Spurrier, Saban, Erickson, etc.)
From a logic standpoint, naming CC head coach has no leg to stand on. There's no precedent of a HC who was terrible as a HC everywhere else being successful. There is evidence of a little known position coach being successful.
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 10:18 am
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:30 am to Moustache
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No, I'm saying that he isn't a proven recruiter
He's been here one year. I know he isn't the only one recruiting and a lot of in state guys will choose LSU regardless, but guys like Chi, Harris and Quinn have all stated that Cameron was a big factor and are excited to learn under him.
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It is literally mind-boggling how people are totally throwing logic out the window here.
I'm not throwing logic out. I'm just not going to make a 5 year stretch (upwards of 20 years ago) as head coach at the shittiest program in the Big Ten some kind of indictment on his abilities as a head coach.
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And Cam has never done it, despite lucking into one of the most electric players in B1G history.
We're not going to give Cam credit for molding him and tailoring an offense to make him as electric as he was? He just rolled the ball out there and told him to go at it?
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Last time I checked, HC is in charge of more than just the offense. Other offensive coaches have managed to have success with terrible programs (Duke, Baylor, etc.)
Right, but at LSU we can hire a top-flight DC (like we have now) and let Cam do his thing on offense, recruiting and administrating. Let's give him more time here before we can say he has no recruiting ability.
My main point in all this is that, if we're talking 5 or so years down the road, Cam would be a more logical choice as a head coach than Frank. Wilson has TONS of potential further down the line, though.
Who even knows if those two will be here or even available when Les leaves?
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:33 am to RBWilliams8
2 more months. God help us!
Posted on 6/27/14 at 11:11 am to lsu2006
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I'm not throwing logic out. I'm just not going to make a 5 year stretch (upwards of 20 years ago) as head coach at the shittiest program in the Big Ten some kind of indictment on his abilities as a head coach.
I get that. But at the same time, Duke was the shittiest program in the ACC and Iowa State or Baylor were the shittiest programs in the big 12, and their coaches have made them competitive at least. Cameron couldn't even compete. I know it was years back and Indiana is a bad program, but to not have a winning season has to at least factor into the decision.
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We're not going to give Cam credit for molding him and tailoring an offense to make him as electric as he was? He just rolled the ball out there and told him to go at it?
Oh, I absolutely give him credit. He lucked into landing the talent, as Randle-el was small and had too low a score on the SAT to play his 1st year. Credit to CC goes in that he trusted in him at QB and built and offense around him. I'm just saying it speak volumes to how bad Cam was at defense and administration to have an electric player like that and still not even hit .500 as a record.
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Let's give him more time here before we can say he has no recruiting ability.
Oh, I'm not saying he doesn't have recruiting ability. Just that it's not proven quite yet due to his short tenure in modern college football so far.
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Who even knows if those two will be here or even available when Les leaves?
This is probably true. Going outside is the more likely and better option IMO. For now, let's enjoy the stability Les has given us though.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 11:13 am to Moustache
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For now, let's enjoy the stability Les has given us though.
Fo sho
Posted on 6/27/14 at 12:16 pm to RBWilliams8
No!!!! You hire a coach with proven success at the collegiate level as a HEAD COACH. Anything else is effing stupid
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