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Posted on 11/15/11 at 11:10 am to Vol Fan in the Bayou
Damn good I say! Damn good!!!
Posted on 11/15/11 at 4:15 pm to Baloo
quote:They are anchored in the past.
We've lost sight of how well Lee and Jefferson have played.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 4:20 pm to just me
Nice Post JM 
Posted on 11/15/11 at 4:26 pm to 24Island
"Lets not forget that the last two national titles have been based on our defense, our running game, and good game managers."
In a number of ways, I think this is disputable with respect to 2007. The 2007 D, while talented and highly ranked, allowed a lot of points, particularly in the second half of the season. Flynn made his share of mistakes but also made a ton of plays well outside the role of game manager. I will agree on the running game, though. In any event, very interesting, well reasoned post on looking at Lee and Jefferson in more recent time frame.
In a number of ways, I think this is disputable with respect to 2007. The 2007 D, while talented and highly ranked, allowed a lot of points, particularly in the second half of the season. Flynn made his share of mistakes but also made a ton of plays well outside the role of game manager. I will agree on the running game, though. In any event, very interesting, well reasoned post on looking at Lee and Jefferson in more recent time frame.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 4:26 pm to just me
quote:
Fans desperate for a compromise tend to say that both QBs are mediocre.
I still stand by that both are mediocre/average players.
But I'm happy they've been productive this year.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 5:02 pm to Baloo
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just me
quote:
Baloo
I'm going to dissent from my esteemed brethren. I do think both quarterbacks are mediocre, and the fact that the have very high ATVSQBPI ratings doesn't change that fact. It just means that they've - finally - been put in a position where each of their talents can be maximized. In 2008 and 2009 we saw these guys run an offense that was seemingly designed to focus on whatever each quarterback did worst. We're finally over that. The high QB ratings aren't the product of supremely talented QBs, they're the product of pretty ok talented QBs, supremely talented players around them, and an excellent offensive scheme.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 5:09 pm to Cold Cous Cous
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It just means that they've - finally - been put in a position where each of their talents can be maximized. In 2008 and 2009 we saw these guys run an offense that was seemingly designed to focus on whatever each quarterback did worst. We're finally over that. The high QB ratings aren't the product of supremely talented QBs, they're the product of pretty ok talented QBs, supremely talented players around them, and an excellent offensive scheme.
Isn't that what a good QB is?
I don't think either are great QB's, but I think both are in the realm of "good". They both have physical talents that the coaching staff has finally taken notice of and put them in a position to succeed. The fact they are succeeding now that they are playing to their strengths shows they are good players.
I'm just not defining good as world beaters.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 5:12 pm to just me
Nice stats, and excellent job. Please keep these handy. They will undoubtedly be needed Saturday night after both QB's play again, and some group of fans is hellbent on bitching about the rotation.
Well done...and Geaux Tigers!
Well done...and Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 11/15/11 at 5:26 pm to just me
talk about cherry picking stats....put JJ's for the whole year, hell, even add Lee's from his bad year....they are all different teams, talking about the varibles alone would take 20 pages...Fact is the offense doesnt look as good with JJ in...He takes carries away from 5 star RB's that we have recruited he doesnt hit opend 5 Star WR's consistently in stride.....Jlee looked good the first 8 games of the season and did poorly in 1 friggin qtr....and gets benched...no way on gods green earth our offense would look as good with JJ QBing...period....and I dont need cherry picked numbers to realize that, I got perfect vision watching them on the field, if I wanted numbers, id call my accountant..put all of JJ's stats on there from the beginning of the year...if he started doing so well last year as you say, you cant blame Crowton for the reasons him playing poorly like most JJ guys state...I believe crowton was terrible at times with play calling no doubt but I also see who was running his plays... Im glad JJ is back on the team and doing "ok" but his role should be what it was from games 1-7 and a few plays here and there...he did ok for the bama game, but if your tying to say he "won us the game" your not too bright....Defense, special teams and field position won that game...christ, wheres the tylenol...
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 11/15/11 at 5:36 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Apples to Apples - ratings are the only way we can measure our players like it or not, until someone else comes up with another system, this is it. Awesome post!
by the way in comparison the two famous QBs this year
Andrew Luck's rating 169
Darron Thomas's rating 160
by the way in comparison the two famous QBs this year
Andrew Luck's rating 169
Darron Thomas's rating 160
Posted on 11/15/11 at 5:37 pm to TigerFan55555
Tigerfan - I agree with you, but you must realize that you are trying to introduce a complex idea to a very simple minded group of individuals. The simple fact that he's using JJ's stats when he's had only 30 something pass attempts and half of those were against western kentucky and he still doesnt have the completion pct% would be a good start, but hey - you can't go past the first level of thinking.
The irony of someone using psychological concepts while committing a logical fallacy as big as the OP did is wonderful. Just goes to show you that humans will always evaluate with their hearts more than their brains.
The irony of someone using psychological concepts while committing a logical fallacy as big as the OP did is wonderful. Just goes to show you that humans will always evaluate with their hearts more than their brains.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 5:52 pm to geauxgeebs
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The simple fact that he's using JJ's stats when he's had only 30 something pass attempts and half of those were against western kentucky and he still doesnt have the completion pct% would be a good start, but hey - you can't go past the first level of thinking.
? I think he covered all of that....The last 8 SEC games (our stiffest competition) JJs stats since Bama (a trend) are there to both give a larger sample size and I see completion % on there. Both our qbs in their last several games against the best competition have performed well enough to lead this team and this offense.
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 11/15/11 at 5:52 pm to just me
Good post
Geaux Tigers
Geaux Tigers
Posted on 11/15/11 at 7:12 pm to 24Island
JJ's red zone effeciency in terms of scoring TD's sucks....something like 40%...JLee is at 80%
Games will get closer and the chance of losing becomes greater with JJ at the helm because of this very critical stat...
Games will get closer and the chance of losing becomes greater with JJ at the helm because of this very critical stat...
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 11/15/11 at 7:16 pm to just me
great work 
this won't shut people up though....
this won't shut people up though....
Posted on 11/15/11 at 7:31 pm to John McClane
Good post, Just keep winning Tigers. I am glad we have two QB's it is a fact we need both of them.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 9:55 am to geauxgeebs
quote:
Tigerfan - I agree with you, but you must realize that you are trying to introduce a complex idea to a very simple minded group of individuals. The simple fact that he's using JJ's stats when he's had only 30 something pass attempts and half of those were against western kentucky and he still doesnt have the completion pct% would be a good start, but hey - you can't go past the first level of thinking.
The irony of someone using psychological concepts while committing a logical fallacy as big as the OP did is wonderful. Just goes to show you that humans will always evaluate with their hearts more than their brains.
quote:
talk about cherry picking stats....put JJ's for the whole year, hell, even add Lee's from his bad year....they are all different teams, talking about the varibles alone would take 20 pages...Fact is the offense doesnt look as good with JJ in...He takes carries away from 5 star RB's that we have recruited he doesnt hit opend 5 Star WR's consistently in stride.....Jlee looked good the first 8 games of the season and did poorly in 1 friggin qtr....and gets benched...no way on gods green earth our offense would look as good with JJ QBing...period....and I dont need cherry picked numbers to realize that, I got perfect vision watching them on the field, if I wanted numbers, id call my accountant..put all of JJ's stats on there from the beginning of the year...if he started doing so well last year as you say, you cant blame Crowton for the reasons him playing poorly like most JJ guys state...I believe crowton was terrible at times with play calling no doubt but I also see who was running his plays... Im glad JJ is back on the team and doing "ok" but his role should be what it was from games 1-7 and a few plays here and there...he did ok for the bama game, but if your tying to say he "won us the game" your not too bright....Defense, special teams and field position won that game...christ, wheres the tylenol...
quote:
JJ's red zone effeciency in terms of scoring TD's sucks....something like 40%...JLee is at 80%
Games will get closer and the chance of losing becomes greater with JJ at the helm because of this very critical stat...
Posted on 11/16/11 at 9:57 am to just me
I'm more than happy with both LSU's quarterbacks. GEAUX TIGERS!!
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:18 am to just me
Both QB's have clearly improved. But both still make mistakes that harken fans back to the QB's recent HISTORY- which you can't ignore or rewrite.
Lee did throw off his back foot and create INT's (he still does, but the INT's haven't been as numerous). JJ still stares at one receiver and takes sacks (although he doesn't do it as much). So when these QB's repeat history, it scares fans and they retreat back to their old talking points- sometimes rightly so.
Lee did throw off his back foot and create INT's (he still does, but the INT's haven't been as numerous). JJ still stares at one receiver and takes sacks (although he doesn't do it as much). So when these QB's repeat history, it scares fans and they retreat back to their old talking points- sometimes rightly so.
quote:Both QB's have looked mediocre in the last two games. Are they regressing again? This is the fear of the fans. Personally, I don't favor one over the other, I just wish Miles would decide a credible rotation if that's what he's going to do, and fans will accept it. Stop it with the mind games and the cute phraseology, just do it.
Fans desperate for a compromise tend to say that both QBs are mediocre.
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