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re: Expect WVU to be clicking on all cylinders by 9-24
Posted on 7/11/11 at 4:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 7/11/11 at 4:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
wvu will struggle this year
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Posted on 7/11/11 at 4:22 pm to LSUdm21
quote:I recall OM handling TT, but they were a decent team (rarity) that year and Dana was gone.
We've all seen what SEC defenses do to those guys.
Posted on 7/11/11 at 4:28 pm to secfan123
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wvu will struggle this year
WVU will win the Big East and be in the BCS bowl this year.
Posted on 7/11/11 at 4:29 pm to Mayhawman
I'm not ready to write anyone off yet, considering SEC Media Days are still a week out.
But, as someone else stated in this thread, our focus really needs to be on Oregon at this point. Let the couch-burners up there in Blacklungville man their stills & ferment their mash (or is it cook their meth these days? I know, I know...glass pipes...err...houses).
Holgerson needs good blocking, & he needs a good quarterback. I think the horses Morgantown's got are decent, but they aren't going to be ready for Year 1.
He dominated CUSA with Chase Keenum, & the Big XII with Wheeden & Blackmon. We'll see how he does with a significant downgrade in talent across the board. His DC is legit, however, so I expect some competitive games out of his team this year. They may surprise.
But, as someone else stated in this thread, our focus really needs to be on Oregon at this point. Let the couch-burners up there in Blacklungville man their stills & ferment their mash (or is it cook their meth these days? I know, I know...glass pipes...err...houses).
Holgerson needs good blocking, & he needs a good quarterback. I think the horses Morgantown's got are decent, but they aren't going to be ready for Year 1.
He dominated CUSA with Chase Keenum, & the Big XII with Wheeden & Blackmon. We'll see how he does with a significant downgrade in talent across the board. His DC is legit, however, so I expect some competitive games out of his team this year. They may surprise.
Posted on 7/11/11 at 4:30 pm to LSUdm21
quote:Damn, I could've started another JJ threaad.
This IS the time for threads like this.
Posted on 7/11/11 at 4:31 pm to GFunk
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He dominated CUSA with Chase Keenum, & the Big XII with Wheeden & Blackmon. We'll see how he does with a significant downgrade in talent across the board. His DC is legit, however, so I expect some competitive games out of his team this year. They may surprise.
There are some very good WRs at WVU and Geno Smith has as much physical talent as anyone.
Posted on 7/11/11 at 4:38 pm to graychef
quote:Gotcha, it is actually a quote from article, but missed the quote button.
The first line of your original post is now incorrect.
Edited.
Posted on 7/11/11 at 4:45 pm to FootballNostradamus
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There are some very good WRs at LSU and JJ has as much physical talent as anyone.
Now that I've changed a few vowels & consonants around in your previous sentence, you do realize how nebulous that statement is, right?
I said that their talent was decent, but probably not ready for year 1. Keep in mind this guy has had Chase Keenum, who was a 4th & 5th year player when he (& don't forget Sumlin) had him at Houston. On top of that, he had Wheeden, who was a former pro-baseball player who was significanly older (25+) when Holgerson got to him. Blackmon was just a freak that nobody really expected that kind of thing out of.
There's a context with Holgerson. I personally think he's a fantastic innovator and one of the best offensive coaches the game's seen recently. He was in a bad personal situation there in Morgantown, and the jury's completely out on his recruiting ability.
But, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I pretty much already made the point that they may surprise people, but are downgrading in talent across the board on offense.
If you wanna play a hypothetical game-right now-and let me choose Wheeden & Blackmon over WVU's cast of offensive character, and allow them to both be coached by Holgerson, well, then, how much money do you have on you? I wanna lay down a bet.
In other words, WVU's got talent, but its not as good as what he had last year, and Geno Smith or Chase Keenum? Hmm...That's a push, and for that to be said when comparing an AQ vs a Non AQ? Wow.
So, again, like I said, he's downgrading talent. If you're telling me otherwise, well, we'll just agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 7/11/11 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 7/11/11 at 4:59 pm to GFunk
quote:
Now that I've changed a few vowels & consonants around in your previous sentence, you do realize how nebulous that statement is, right?
I said that their talent was decent, but probably not ready for year 1. Keep in mind this guy has had Chase Keenum, who was a 4th & 5th year player when he (& don't forget Sumlin) had him at Houston. On top of that, he had Wheeden, who was a former pro-baseball player who was significanly older (25+) when Holgerson got to him. Blackmon was just a freak that nobody really expected that kind of thing out of.
There's a context with Holgerson. I personally think he's a fantastic innovator and one of the best offensive coaches the game's seen recently. He was in a bad personal situation there in Morgantown, and the jury's completely out on his recruiting ability.
But, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I pretty much already made the point that they may surprise people, but are downgrading in talent across the board on offense.
If you wanna play a hypothetical game-right now-and let me choose Wheeden & Blackmon over WVU's cast of offensive character, and allow them to both be coached by Holgerson, well, then, how much money do you have on you? I wanna lay down a bet.
In other words, WVU's got talent, but its not as good as what he had last year, and Geno Smith or Chase Keenum? Hmm...That's a push, and for that to be said when comparing an AQ vs a Non AQ? Wow.
So, again, like I said, he's downgrading talent. If you're telling me otherwise, well, we'll just agree to disagree.
O he’s definitely downgrading in elite, upper-echelon talent at WR. Blackmon is the best WR in the nation, period. WVU’s number one is not as good as him and never will be. However, I think it could be argued they have more depth. Also, I could just as easily argue Wheeden was a product of Dada. He was a good prospect but not some sort of Cam Newton type of older prospect.
Lastly, while he might be downgrading in offensive talent, he’s absolutely upgrading in defensive talent. People really underestimate WVU’s defensive talent. They have some serious players on that side of the field. Dana’s teams will be damn good in the future.
Posted on 7/11/11 at 5:00 pm to GFunk
I've read and heard from several people who say that what makes Dana so good is how he calls a game...hes a mastermind at calling certain play at certain times...
I know a guy who works at a school that WVU will play this year...he had to break down several of Ok State's games last year, and he said its unbelievable at how good Dana calls a game...
His offense as a whole is pretty dynamic...and yes, Dana will call the plays this year...
I know a guy who works at a school that WVU will play this year...he had to break down several of Ok State's games last year, and he said its unbelievable at how good Dana calls a game...
His offense as a whole is pretty dynamic...and yes, Dana will call the plays this year...
Posted on 7/11/11 at 5:04 pm to HoltWVU
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His offense as a whole is pretty dynamic...and yes, Dana will call the plays this year...
That's interesting to read. I knew it would be his offense, but Sumlin differed from Leach in that while Leach was at TTU, he was taking "suggestions" from Holgerson.
At Houston, Sumlin wanted to let Holgerson call the game and he wanted to be the head coach and manage the game and the team, so to speak.
Gundy knew enough to GTF out of the way for Holgerson last year (think of it as a rich stock-car racing owner hiring the best driver and then shutting up & letting him do his thing). But to hear Holgerson will call the plays is a bit of a departure from his HU & Okie State stops & more of a reuniting a TTU theme.
Not doubting his chops as a playcaller or as an innovator. I absolutley think he's great. But, lipstick on a pig (and I mean no disrespect) is still...well...you know...
Posted on 7/11/11 at 5:08 pm to HoltWVU
quote:
ve read and heard from several people who say that what makes Dana so good is how he calls a game...hes a mastermind at calling certain play at certain times...
I know a guy who works at a school that WVU will play this year...he had to break down several of Ok State's games last year, and he said its unbelievable at how good Dana calls a game...
His offense as a whole is pretty dynamic...and yes, Dana will call the plays this year...
Dana definitely has an uncanny ability to deduce a defense’s tactics are adjust his playcalling accordingly. However, it’s not only the feel of his playcalling, it’s his offenses flexibility. With just minor tweaks he can take a formation run at a typical down and distance against a cover 2 shell and attack a cover 3 with it.
He also loves packaging multiple coverage beaters into his playcalls, essentially allowing him to cut the QB’s field in half. He’s got videos of him breakdown playcalls and chalkboard sessions and turning an entire defense’s coverage into a simple QB read of one single defender. Like his philosophy of installing his offense in 3 days would imply, he’s all about Keep It Simple Stupid and Execution trumps Complication.
Posted on 7/11/11 at 5:13 pm to GFunk
reason he wants to call plays this year is he was brought in to put his stamp on this offense...he wants to do that and get it fully installed...next year, the reigns will be handed to Shannon Dawson (Louisiana native, BTW)
All of his offenseive coaches except 1, come from this style of offense...
Shannon Dawsom ran the identical offense as Holgorsen at Stephen F. Austin and goes way back with Dana
Robert Gillispie (fmr Gator RB) was the RB coach at Ok State
Bill Bedenbaugh was the OL and asst Off Coord last year at ARizona and has a background in this offense from his days with Holgorsen in Iowa...
the exception is Daron Roberts, who coached with the Chiefs and Lions in then NFL...Harvard Law degree on top of that...but even he has ties to Holgorsen from when Dana was in Houston...
this staff is exceptional in my book, and theyre all on the same page as a coaching staff can be...
All of his offenseive coaches except 1, come from this style of offense...
Shannon Dawsom ran the identical offense as Holgorsen at Stephen F. Austin and goes way back with Dana
Robert Gillispie (fmr Gator RB) was the RB coach at Ok State
Bill Bedenbaugh was the OL and asst Off Coord last year at ARizona and has a background in this offense from his days with Holgorsen in Iowa...
the exception is Daron Roberts, who coached with the Chiefs and Lions in then NFL...Harvard Law degree on top of that...but even he has ties to Holgorsen from when Dana was in Houston...
this staff is exceptional in my book, and theyre all on the same page as a coaching staff can be...
Posted on 7/11/11 at 5:29 pm to GFunk
quote:Product of the system, maybe?
Blackmon was just a freak that nobody really expected that kind of thing out of.
Dana is one of those coaches that can take a bunch of 3*s with a few 4*s sprinkled in and give a D fits. I don't see such a large recruiting gap as you mention, with both programs in #20 area over the last few years..
I'm hoping for a longer adjustment period than it took at OSU.
Posted on 7/11/11 at 5:49 pm to Mayhawman
Wheeden/Blackmon>anything at UWV.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
Posted on 7/11/11 at 5:54 pm to Mayhawman
doubtful he he can instill "his offense" in the 1st year with no complications, but I wouldnt be suprised to see WVU scoring points this year.
Brown is a good QB and he has enough speedsters, a whole lot more goes into that kind of offense though
Brown is a good QB and he has enough speedsters, a whole lot more goes into that kind of offense though
Posted on 7/11/11 at 6:15 pm to GFunk
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Wheeden/Blackmon>anything at UWV.
Imac is going to be a stud and its wvu brah
Posted on 7/11/11 at 6:31 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Good news for you guys is Dana and Shannon have been best friends since college so they will work together seamlessly. The question is how long can you guys keep Dana or Shannon?
Posted on 7/11/11 at 6:53 pm to Mayhawman
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Expect WVU to be clicking on all cylinders until 9-24
Fixed it for ya'
Posted on 7/11/11 at 10:06 pm to 1984Tiger
coach is a drunk and he cant even keep a lid on it in public, pathetic. 
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