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re: Evidence showing the SEC schedule bias for Alabama and Auburn

Posted on 7/26/13 at 2:10 am to
Posted by Sneakbo
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 2:10 am to
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Posted by thatdude1985
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 2:11 am to
It's official...YOU'RE ANGRY.
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 2:13 am to
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Posted by crimsonsaint
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 2:48 am to
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SEC Digital Network: Who was involved in putting together the 2013 SEC conference football schedule and what additional groups had input?

Mark Womack: “It was a cooperative effort from all of our athletic directors to take the schedule and try to work through it, along with Larry Templeton and Mark Whitworth in our office. We use a scheduling group outside the office from a computer standpoint of trying to generate some things for us. At the end of the day, the cooperation of each athletic director in trying to make this work is vitally important.”
Posted by tigerfan in bamaland
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 4:35 am to
Mark Womack? Lulz
Tigah bait! Bitches!
Posted by BamaPride
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:32 am to
"Things that make you go hmmmmm....These gumps don't even need our help making our argument.

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Also, I saw in some responses to this post that the SEC Headquarters being in Birmingham give Alabama and Auburn an advantage. The HQ has been in Birmingham for 65 years. How does this possibly give Alabama and Auburn an advantage? Wouldn't that mean that Alabama and Auburn should win at least the SEC championship every year? "


So, let's move the SEC HQ to New York so that LSU will have a better team.
Posted by tickfawtiger
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:56 am to
No need to move office to N.Y.....just be TOTALLY transparent and above board...problem solved, see how easy that is ?
Instead, we get the SEC making schedules which favor certain teams,refs and replay officials who in the past certainly have shown either blatant or "low key" bias and the office/commissioner wanting to "protect" certain teams , come bowl selection time i.e. GA last year, just to name ONE such occurrence....facts are difficult to dispute/deflect, aren't they ?
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 10:48 am to
Note the progression of the thread and you will see a parade of Gumps making our case for us. Objective Fact is met with insult. Every legitimate concern that LSU has had for a decade is ridiculed and minimized. Every scheduling anomaly is explained away with a middle finger. An office packed with Alabama loyalists is perfectly acceptable. Every concern is met with derision and mockery.

Now you know what the LSU brass have been dealing with for a decade. The Alabama posters here are a PERFECT demonstration of Alabama culture. The same culture that gives us Harvey Updyke and The Tuscaloosa Teabagger and envelopes full of cash exploding in the mail and Bama full body tattoos and 1500 guys named Bryant...IS THE SAME CULTURE DECIDING LEAGUE BUSINESS, LOBBYING FOR BOWL ASSIGNMENTS,PUTTING TOGETHER BRIDGE SCHEDULES,HANDLING COMPLIANCE ISSUES,etc.

There is a rat in our midst. The Gumps will go FULL ALINSKY if you point this out to them,they will ridicule you, build strawmen, insult you etc. But one thing they will NEVER do, is honestly consider the facts, admit to the irrefutable bias and corruption inherent in the current Bama-centric office, and work to ensure all members are treated EQUALLY.

AS ALWAYS-BAMA CULTURE REQUIRES THE MULLIGAN.
Posted by Geaux Tahel
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 10:56 am to
and you prove my point.
Posted by BamaPride
Sioux Falls, SD
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:32 am to
You guys crack me up. Well, us Bama fans will need to talk to the brass at HQ because they didn't do a good scheduling job in 2007.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:43 am to
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Well, us Bama fans will need to talk to the brass at HQ
Take an English course before you do.
Posted by YouAre8Up
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 11:54 am to
Jesus, it's hard to believe that some of you really believe and are buying into this "theory". Yet if LSU had beaten Bama in the rematch then none of this comes up as any sort of a topic for discussion.

Maybe contact this guy below and let his top notch investigating team look into the "SEC headquarters hates LSU" theory.

Posted by thatdude1985
Oxford, AL
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:02 pm to
BOOM /thread.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:59 pm to
I'll begin by saying that I usually enjoy your posting. Rational, objective and entertaining. You have gone full-on tin-foil hat here. Let's talk..
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Every legitimate concern that LSU has had for a decade is ridiculed and minimized.
Please explain your decade long concerns. I believe your team has been the most successful in the conference, if not the nation, the past ten years. While only 5 years ago, Bama was mired in mediocrity brought on by getting caught cheating. Then they were hammered again in 2008. Please show me where Bama received preferential treatment. Again, decade long concerns? Your team has won 2 national titles and what, 3 conference titles? Hell, in 2004 and 2006, it was Those cheating Auburn refs!. But somehow the Gump culture was responsible? That dog don't hunt, Pimp.
The bridge schedules have been an atrocity. Personally, I would trade you guys schedules any day. Way more fun watching the better teams play. The "Mulligan" was a nationwide poll vote, with computers as well. Should the SEC brass have shouted "NO!.."? Of course not. Had you guys shown up and won, I'm not over here on your board having to tell you that you've lost perspective.

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The same culture that gives us Harvey Updyke and The Tuscaloosa Teabagger and envelopes full of cash exploding in the mail and Bama full body tattoos and 1500 guys named Bryant...IS THE SAME CULTURE DECIDING LEAGUE BUSINESS, LOBBYING FOR BOWL ASSIGNMENTS,PUTTING TOGETHER BRIDGE SCHEDULES,HANDLING COMPLIANCE ISSUES,etc.

Is it your contention that the Gump office lobbied to put you guys in lesser bowl games? Or that the Gump office thought it was not in the Gump interest to hammer auburn in 2010? Let's not get into culture, as it would be very easy to paint LSU with a broad brush as well. I haven't seen any pictures of serial killers taking in a nice Saturday at BDS..
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But one thing they will NEVER do, is honestly consider the facts, admit to the irrefutable bias and corruption inherent in the current Bama-centric office, and work to ensure all members are treated EQUALLY.

Nope, won't go full tin-foil, you've got this one right. I apologize on behalf of Gump nation for the bridge schedules. But any rational fan should not admit to any "irrefutable bias and corruption" in the league office, unless you want to change the bogeyman every couple years. Sorry for the intrusion on the TR. Cheers
Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:01 pm to
It's not really a theory, more of a fact based on reality. When you can actually lay out what the schedule should be, and how it was changed, it's pretty compelling.
Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:04 pm to
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ope, won't go full tin-foil, you've got this one right. I apologize on behalf of Gump nation for the bridge schedules. But any rational fan should not admit to any "irrefutable bias and corruption" in the league office


Alabama perennially plays a weaker overall schedule than LSU. Scheduling conspiracy aside, it's the truth. Your OOC games are traditionally pathetic and you pull every piss poor SEC East team. Beat LSU and it's a cake walk.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 1:05 pm
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:16 pm to
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Your OOC games are traditionally pathetic
Since 2008: Clemson, Penn St.(2), Va. Tech(2), Michigan.. I remember you guys playing Oregon and West Virginia, other than that, who have y'all had since '08?
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 2:09 pm
Posted by TDTGodfather
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:53 pm to
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Since 2008: Clemson, Penn St.(2), Va. Tech(2), Michigan.. I remember you guys playing Oregon and West Virginia, other than that, who have y'all had since '08?

i wouldn't say pathetic. but bama has a knack for scheduling big names in down years. it may just be luck.

but i think the point people are making is this:

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Alabama's most difficult schedule in the past five years was not ranked as highly as LSU's easiest schedule.






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Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123848 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 2:56 pm to
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Please explain your decade long concerns. I believe your team has been the most successful in the conference, if not the nation, the past ten years. While only 5 years ago, Bama was mired in mediocrity brought on by getting caught cheating. Then they were hammered again in 2008. Please show me where Bama received preferential treatment. Again, decade long concerns? Your team has won 2 national titles and what, 3 conference titles? Hell, in 2004 and 2006, it was Those cheating Auburn refs!. But somehow the Gump culture was responsible? That dog don't hunt, Pimp.
Nothing to the latest SEC weirdness then. It's all a matter of happenstance? Coincidence?

First off, I'm not sure where you were going with dismissives related to officiating problems in '04 and '06. Just a very odd, apparently uninformed, perspective. In processing those comments, I'd have to guess you simply are not familiar with the particular games. You should be, after choosing to come to an LSU board and run your mouth about them, but it's probably par FTC.

You seem to blithely posit LSU's results must have come without a headwind. You've no basis for that, other than assuming adversity eliminates chance of the kind of W-L results we've enjoyed. History is rife with examples of quality groups overcoming bias and duplicity to achieve improbable goals.

Fact of success does not mitigate Fact of dubious oppositional efforts aimed to rein it in. That is the case here. As with the Auburn games you cited, Alabama's SEC scheduling speaks for itself. It makes it's own case. Was Gump culture responsible? Who knows. Someone was responsible. You'd probably claim there is no such thing as gump manipulation in the SEC to begin with. Right? But someone did it. Why?

We do know the scheduling switch happened. That much we know. We do know the decision came out of Birmingham, Alabama. We do know how the league has reacted to subsequent criticism about it. The SEC has chosen not to provide adequate explanation as to how this latest idiocy occurred.

Those are knowns.
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Bama was mired in mediocrity brought on by getting caught cheating. Then they were hammered again in 2008.
The SEC hammered Bama? Really?
Or are you saying that the NCAA, responsible for Bama's probation, was also responsible for this SEC schedule switch.
Is that your point?

As you're over here on this board discussing others' lost perspective, how about gaining a bit yourself?
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 3:17 pm to
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First off, I'm not sure where you were going with dismissives related to officiating problems in '04 and '06. Just a very odd, apparently uninformed, perspective. In processing those comments, I'd have to guess you simply are not familiar with the particular games. You should be, after choosing to come to an LSU board and run your mouth about them, but it's probably par FTC.
I'm very familiar with the games. I thought LSU was robbed in both. I don't see what the Gumps had to do with it. Which was the point. I know the message board culture wasn't as prevalent back then, but I never once heard an LSU fan blaming Gump culture for the fact that y'all were pretty much robbed of a National Title in the '06 Auburn game. I heard a few rumblings about the SEC offices' relatively close locale to Auburn.
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Fact of success does not mitigate Fact of dubious oppositional efforts aimed to rein it in. That is the case here.
This is where you guys lose me. You are claiming that all of LSU's success on the field has been despite the best efforts of shadowy Gump initiatives to keep you down. It's ludicrous. I won't intrude on yall's party any more. Enjoy the season!
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