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Elbert Robinson III: Did the weight loss have to be so drastic?
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:52 am
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:52 am
ER played at about 310 in high school.
I can understand getting him into condition to play the college game, but 250 lbs. at over 7 ft tall is pretty thin. Sure, you want him to be more maneuverable, but he's never going to be a David Robinson. ER is what he is, a classic post-up center that you hope gives you good defense in the paint and some offensive boards.
If CJJ and the braintrust thinks he can't be a serviceable SEC player without losing 50-70 pounds, then imo, he's too much of a project and should not have been recruited.
Why not have him play at about 280-290, while losing about 20 pounds and getting into condition? If he can contribute what NCST's more rotund big men can do, I think we should all be satisfied.
I can understand getting him into condition to play the college game, but 250 lbs. at over 7 ft tall is pretty thin. Sure, you want him to be more maneuverable, but he's never going to be a David Robinson. ER is what he is, a classic post-up center that you hope gives you good defense in the paint and some offensive boards.
If CJJ and the braintrust thinks he can't be a serviceable SEC player without losing 50-70 pounds, then imo, he's too much of a project and should not have been recruited.
Why not have him play at about 280-290, while losing about 20 pounds and getting into condition? If he can contribute what NCST's more rotund big men can do, I think we should all be satisfied.
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:55 am to timlan2057
Elbert was very slow in high school, however I think the weight loss was more about trying to give him endurance than speed. It's not really "easy" to get conditioned at 290 for basketball.
I was a little surprised when we got him because he doesn't really fit into the style of play LSU goes with, however they are working to get him into great shape. 300 pound big men aren't really at a premium in todays basketball, NBA or college.
Tom Kelsey (LSU assistant coach) just tweeted 11 minutes ago:
First rule for Post Players: they must be able to run. Go from rim to rim quicker than your opponent.
I was a little surprised when we got him because he doesn't really fit into the style of play LSU goes with, however they are working to get him into great shape. 300 pound big men aren't really at a premium in todays basketball, NBA or college.
Tom Kelsey (LSU assistant coach) just tweeted 11 minutes ago:
First rule for Post Players: they must be able to run. Go from rim to rim quicker than your opponent.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 9:19 am
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:56 am to timlan2057
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If CJJ and the braintrust thinks he can't be a serviceable SEC player without losing 50-70 pounds,then imo, he's too much of a project and should not have been recruited.
Been saying this forever.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:00 am to c on z
Projects with the upside of Elbert are worth taking IMO. 7' guys are normally projects. High school coaches only get guys that big once a blue moon and their bodies are very difficult to get into proper shape.
If he wasn't a project at 7', he would be a 1 and done type guy. We need some program players and I am okay going for a 7 footer and hoping you can transform their game.
If he wasn't a project at 7', he would be a 1 and done type guy. We need some program players and I am okay going for a 7 footer and hoping you can transform their game.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:07 am to SouthOfSouth
As long as he has the right attitude and determination, Elbert is going to progress nicely. Honestly, if the guy can be serviceable next year, good his junior year and all-SEC his senior year that would bring some pretty nice stability to the program. Somehow LSU landed their only two elite centers at the same time 25 years ago - Shaq and Roberts (Pettit was elite, too, but more of a forward). Guys that big and that ready to play out of high school just don't come along that often. Also, they are usually gobbled up by Duke, Kentucky or Kansas and only stay 1 year.
I'm willing to bet both Elbert and Epps will be much more involved next year. That will really help over the course of the season as Victor and Simmons will be able to average about 28 mins/game rather than 35 mins/game.
I'm willing to bet both Elbert and Epps will be much more involved next year. That will really help over the course of the season as Victor and Simmons will be able to average about 28 mins/game rather than 35 mins/game.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:08 am to timlan2057
For someone that size he is very passive.
Even in the few games he went into, he did not look like he had any chance of going inside and being a physical presence.
Tuba was more aggressive than him
Even in the few games he went into, he did not look like he had any chance of going inside and being a physical presence.
Tuba was more aggressive than him
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:14 am to nicholastiger
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For someone that size he is very passive.
Even in the few games he went into, he did not look like he had any chance of going inside and being a physical presence.
Tuba was more aggressive than him
hence the deal on all the weight loss.
when he can get up on his toes and pirouette, with a little jump hook at the end of the turn, he has lost the right amount of weight.
If he needs to, he can put weight back on. Patience.
If 6 8" guys are flying down the floor leaving him in their dust while they posterize the LSU guards, he's going to be a liability except in the half court defense.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:17 am to sassyLSU
Elberts going to be fine. He has three years left, lets give him a chance to develop
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:19 am to timlan2057
by the time he is a senior and gets really pissed at all of the internet criticism, he's going to be the next Moses Malone
and Moses didn't run up and down the court, he strutted
and Moses didn't run up and down the court, he strutted
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:19 am to c on z
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If CJJ and the braintrust thinks he can't be a serviceable SEC player without losing 50-70 pounds,then imo, he's too much of a project and should not have been recruited.
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Been saying this forever.
What a horrible line of logic. You don't pass up on guys with that size and skill set just because it may take a little while for him to come into his own. Give him a chance at least.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:22 am to timlan2057
The offseason just started. I'm sure the plan was
1. Get him in shape and drop the bad weight (easier to do during the season because of all the running in practice)
2. Put in work in the weight room and add back 15-20 pounds of good weight
1. Get him in shape and drop the bad weight (easier to do during the season because of all the running in practice)
2. Put in work in the weight room and add back 15-20 pounds of good weight
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:24 am to lsu2006
Keep in mind he was STARTING early in the year, had some issues, got hurt, then may or may not have had an issue with regards to making a cameo in a game where LSU was comfortably ahead.. He had some problems against the smaller, scrappy 'bigs' you see at the college level playing the 4/5 but you learn to adapt. I do think he should put at least 10 lbs back on and just focus on his conditioning and straight line speed. Lets see where he is at a year from now.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:31 am to S
Is it possible that he took a medical redshirt?
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:33 am to TigerRagAndrew
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Is it possible that he took a medical redshirt?
nope.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:33 am to sassyLSU
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If he needs to, he can put weight back on. Patience.
Yep, and he could put on proper weight.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:35 am to TigerRagAndrew
People need to put themselves in Elbert's position. In HS he was 310 pounds and 7'1. He probably didn't have to worry about anything. No shot clock so he could walk, nobody near his size so not really try on defense. A lot of it was probably a culture shock to him, and he was only 18. I don't expedt s double double, but if he gives us 10-15 minutes and 4 points and 5 rebounds I'll be ecstatic.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:35 am to SouthOfSouth
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We need some program players and I am okay going for a 7 footer and hoping you can transform their game.
100% agree...all of these big programs that have made Championship runs with freshman have done so with key contributions from juniors/seniors as well....program players are a must, Duke doesn't even sniff a Final 4 this year without Quinn Cook
Posted on 4/9/15 at 10:10 am to HarrisLetsRide
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100% agree...all of these big programs that have made Championship runs with freshman have done so with key contributions from juniors/seniors as well....program players are a must, Duke doesn't even sniff a Final 4 this year without Quinn Cook
Yep, you can't expect to retool with a bunch of 5-stars every year unless your Slippery Cal getting a bunch of bought-and-paid-for players passed to you by World Wide Wes.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:25 am to timlan2057
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ER played at about 310 in high school.
I can understand getting him into condition to play the college game, but 250 lbs. at over 7 ft tall is pretty thin. Sure, you want him to be more maneuverable, but he's never going to be a David Robinson. ER is what he is, a classic post-up center that you hope gives you good defense in the paint and some offensive boards.
Robinson hasn't played anywhere near 300 since maybe jr year in high school. He became a top 60 recruit by losing a lot of that weight. He prob came into LSU at 270ish and that is prob close to his playing weight.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:36 am to timlan2057
He was not 310. More like 335.
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