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Does LSU Crank Up Three Pointers?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:47 pm
In a lot of the messages in basketball threads, you often see criticism of CJJ's teams that they don't run offense plays and just pass it around the perimeter and jack up three's.
Is that true in the games this year's team has played? Well the stats will tell the truth of it. We have taken 427 total shots so far this season. We've made 199 for a 46.6% average. Of those 427 shots 129 have been three's.
But here is where the real problem is. We have only made 41 of those for a 31.8% average. So the problem is not taking them but making them. In the games where we look awful we can't buy a three and in the games we look good we usually make a good percentage.
In modern college basketball there isn't a single team that I know of that doesn't shoot a fair amount of three's. Our opponents have shot more than us. They are 45-140 for a percentage of 32.1%.
So this year so far, we definitely have not cranked up too many threes and we are getting far more shots inside the arc. Now of course you can say that an individual three shouldn't have been taken because it wasn't in the flow or was taken too far out or a player was trying to go one on one and it was contested. That happens to every team, every game.
So we need to take threes to win. We just need to make more of them. A percentage of 35% and up is considered good and anything approaching 40% is very good.
Is that true in the games this year's team has played? Well the stats will tell the truth of it. We have taken 427 total shots so far this season. We've made 199 for a 46.6% average. Of those 427 shots 129 have been three's.
But here is where the real problem is. We have only made 41 of those for a 31.8% average. So the problem is not taking them but making them. In the games where we look awful we can't buy a three and in the games we look good we usually make a good percentage.
In modern college basketball there isn't a single team that I know of that doesn't shoot a fair amount of three's. Our opponents have shot more than us. They are 45-140 for a percentage of 32.1%.
So this year so far, we definitely have not cranked up too many threes and we are getting far more shots inside the arc. Now of course you can say that an individual three shouldn't have been taken because it wasn't in the flow or was taken too far out or a player was trying to go one on one and it was contested. That happens to every team, every game.
So we need to take threes to win. We just need to make more of them. A percentage of 35% and up is considered good and anything approaching 40% is very good.
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:51 pm to Tom Bronco
Blakeney has jacked up bad three's this year. It's why his % is so low right now. Most of our other players haven't been forcing shots and their % show that.
Shooting 31.8% from three is equal points per possession to 47.7% from two point so that isn't all that bad to me. If you are going to shoot three's they have to be within the offense.
Shooting 31.8% from three is equal points per possession to 47.7% from two point so that isn't all that bad to me. If you are going to shoot three's they have to be within the offense.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:54 pm to Tom Bronco
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But here is where the real problem is. We have only made 41 of those for a 31.8% average. So the problem is not taking them but making them.
So doing some math. 199/427 overall for 46.6% and 41/129 from 3 for 31.8%
Means we're 158/298 from 2 for 53.0%.
So that means for every 2 point shot we take we're averaging the smallest amount more than 1 point and for every 3 point shot we take we're averaging just under 1 point per shot.
For a 3pt shot and 2pt shot to even out, we'd have to shoot 50% from 2pt and 33.33% from 3pt. Both of our averages are pretty close to that, so we're not doing too bad with our 3pt shooting. Anything above 33% would be a better shot than a 50/50 2pt shot and we're not far from that average.
Edit:
521 points from shots on 427 shots total. So 1.22 points per shot. Equivalent of shooting 61% on 2pt shots.
All that excluding free throws.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:50 pm to SouthOfSouth
quote:You are right. It is a very strange thing but it is our big men, at least percentage wise, that are best 3 point shooters. Epps leads the way with an amazing 70% on 7 of 10 and Reath at 44.4% on 4 of 9. Blakeney is shooting 27.3% and Mays 22% with Patterson at a very not good 15.8%. Sampson has been the shining light among the guards with 35.7%.
Blakeney has jacked up bad three's this year. It's why his % is so low right now. Most of our other players haven't been forcing shots and their % show that.
Maybe the guards should set screens for the big men to shoot three's, LOL!
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:12 pm to Tom Bronco
When we or most other teams take open 3's or 3's that come as part of offensive set (screen or dribble drive and kick out for example), the percentages go up. Our problem in some cases are forced 3's, off balance shots, or off rhythm shots. We have capable long range shooters, but we need to take the correct shots (both 3's as well as 2's). Good teams take mostly high percentage shots, play defense and rebound efficiently. Here's to hope for LSU!
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:36 am to SCP
quote:While I generally agree with what you say here, I have also seen our guards airball more than one wide open three. Coach's and tv analysts like to talk about shot selection but the undeniable fact is a good shot is one that goes in and a bad one is one that misses. I have seen incredible three point shots go in that leave me with my mouth open that they would even take the shot, let alone make it.
When we or most other teams take open 3's or 3's that come as part of offensive set (screen or dribble drive and kick out for example), the percentages go up. Our problem in some cases are forced 3's, off balance shots, or off rhythm shots. We have capable long range shooters, but we need to take the correct shots (both 3's as well as 2's). Good teams take mostly high percentage shots, play defense and rebound efficiently. Here's to hope for LSU!
I still say we need to set top of the key screens for Epps. The guy has a funny looking shot but damn it seems to go in.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:28 am to Tom Bronco
Quality of shot matters per most bb afficiandos and stats.
I did not say anything about funny looking shots.
I would prefer a guy with a funny looking shot ( or perfect form) to take it unguarded, in rhythm, and in balance versus hand in his face, rushed and off balance.
There are a few special players like Steph Curry in which almost any shot is a good one. We don't have a Steph Curry on this team, but do have some decent shooters.
I agree that Epps should be given opportunity to shoot with plays directed to him. Screens, off double teams, dribble drive and kick outs, high low against zones, etc.
Team has potential, but refuse to get my hopes up this year after prior disappointments.
I did not say anything about funny looking shots.
I would prefer a guy with a funny looking shot ( or perfect form) to take it unguarded, in rhythm, and in balance versus hand in his face, rushed and off balance.
There are a few special players like Steph Curry in which almost any shot is a good one. We don't have a Steph Curry on this team, but do have some decent shooters.
I agree that Epps should be given opportunity to shoot with plays directed to him. Screens, off double teams, dribble drive and kick outs, high low against zones, etc.
Team has potential, but refuse to get my hopes up this year after prior disappointments.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:43 am to Tom Bronco
I do think there's something to be said for the quality of 3's being taken. Against Houston they were mostly quality shots in the rythmn of the offense. I don't think that was necessarily the case in earlier games.
In fact most everything we did against Houston was significantly better than what we mostly see under CJJ, even compared to other games this year.
The hope is that can continue. The past under CJJ tells us differently.
I'd love to see it continue though.
In fact most everything we did against Houston was significantly better than what we mostly see under CJJ, even compared to other games this year.
The hope is that can continue. The past under CJJ tells us differently.
I'd love to see it continue though.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 9:49 am to SCP
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I agree that Epps should be given opportunity to shoot with plays directed to him. Screens, off double teams, dribble drive and kick outs, high low against zones, etc.
He's hitting on 70% of his 3's so far this year, albeit in very limited shots. To me that means he's a) using good shot selection on when he pulls the trigger and b) not shooting enough 3's.
He doesn't need to shoot 7 or 8 a game. But working to give him more opportunities to take good shots should be a priority by now.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 10:18 am to ProjectP2294
Blakenely needs to take less three pointers , he's at his best attacking the rim, slashing , creating open players . Epps and reath both seem to have a beautiful 3 point stroke which is huge advantage because they will be open half the time . Sampson needs to keep shooting too, I really like his stroke . Could be the purest shooter we have had in some time .
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