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Did Saban have a crappy gameplan the first LSU/Bama game
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:59 am
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:59 am
this year? Why did he not trust McCarron more at that time?
Posted on 1/18/12 at 8:01 am to tigerskin
They played not to lose in November.
They played to win in January.
They played to win in January.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 8:01 am to tigerskin
good gameplan, just out coached by miles.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 8:07 am to blackjackjackson
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good gameplan, just out coached by miles
Being at that game, Bama made a ton of mistakes. So did we. The defenses were about equal, our offense sucked, and McCarron missed a ton of wide open passes. They weren't expecting the option either. More about mistakes than it was Saban being outcoached by Miles. I think we all saw in the 2nd game that was not the case. It's all about execution.
This post was edited on 1/18/12 at 8:09 am
Posted on 1/18/12 at 1:51 pm to Run DMC
No, it wasn't just about execution. Bama had a totally different gameplan in the second game that involved throwing on nearly every first down.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 1:56 pm to tigerskin
No his kickers sucked. His defense allowed one busted coverage leading to a FG. His QB got picked around their 30 leading to another FG and we kicked a FG in OT.
They could have easily shut us out in the first game.
They could have easily shut us out in the first game.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 1:59 pm to tigerskin
No. Saban is a genius. This was part of his plan.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 2:04 pm to tigerskin
On offense or defense? So far as I can tell, Saban's defensive gameplan didn't change from game one to game two. And indeed, the Bama defense was stifling in both contests. The primary difference in the rematch was that his players suffered fewer mental errors in coverage and in their defense of the option. (At half-time of the first game, Saban essentially stated that his defense wasn't properly attacking the option on the edge.)
Offensively, it appears to me that Saban did indeed change his gameplan in the rematch. Heading into the initial encounter, I truly believe he thought that he could overpower the LSUI defense with Richardson and the run game. He couldn't. To his credit, he recognized the strength of the LSU defensive line based on the outcome of the first game and adapted his stategy accordingly. He went to a pass first philosophy that exploited our nickel backs and LB's in coverage against bigger, faster receivers. That was the difference in the game. McCarron also played fantastically well.
Offensively, it appears to me that Saban did indeed change his gameplan in the rematch. Heading into the initial encounter, I truly believe he thought that he could overpower the LSUI defense with Richardson and the run game. He couldn't. To his credit, he recognized the strength of the LSU defensive line based on the outcome of the first game and adapted his stategy accordingly. He went to a pass first philosophy that exploited our nickel backs and LB's in coverage against bigger, faster receivers. That was the difference in the game. McCarron also played fantastically well.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 2:08 pm to The312
Yes, I was referring basically to offense. And it is amazing how quarterbacks often "look better" when you let them throw the ball down the field on early downs if everybody is expecting you to run it.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 2:59 pm to tigerskin
He said in an interview that they made a mistake not letting McCarron throw on first down.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 3:01 pm to tigerskin
it was a pretty good gameplan. they fed richardson and went conservative in their passing game. they really did move the ball pretty well in between the 20's.
that Jan 9 gameplan was a thing of beauty, however.
that Jan 9 gameplan was a thing of beauty, however.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 3:11 pm to tigerskin
Just because you loose doesn't mean you had a "crappy" game plan. His plan was to have the Updykes do exactly what they did best at that point in the season. Hell, he lost 9-6 in overtime. Pretty fricking close game.
They coached them up during the split. It was genius to throw the ball 21 times on first down and McCarron took advantage of it by having his great game
They coached them up during the split. It was genius to throw the ball 21 times on first down and McCarron took advantage of it by having his great game
Posted on 1/18/12 at 3:23 pm to tigerskin
yes. i hear bama fans are pissed because he never held a press conference excepting responsibility for it and explaining why he was attempting 72 yard field goals
Posted on 1/18/12 at 3:46 pm to tigerskin
Not sure about your point, but McCarron was a sophomore. LSU had two senior QBs.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 3:52 pm to Choctaw
Lol, its much easier game planning for a qb that is one dimensional and not much of a passer. A big difference was having a qb running an offense that was more multi than read option left read option right. Saban knew JJ was going the whole game, first time around not so much. Bama played great on the 9th but face it the game plan for Bama was not that hard to devise.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 4:12 pm to blackjackjackson
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just out coached by miles.
yep, Miles brilliantly coached them to miss 3 FG's, plus for Eric Ried to make a spectacular int
Eery game there is a winner and a loser, not every game is one side out coached. I really don't like the term outcoached frankly. I'd say 1/9/12 Saban and his staff had a brilliant game plan and they executed it well. LSU did not. 11/5 was basically a draw, you'll note it went into OT. In 2010 Miles and staff make excellent halftime adjustments.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 4:16 pm to tigerskin
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No, it wasn't just about execution. Bama had a totally different gameplan in the second game that involved throwing on nearly every first down.
Its called making adjustments. I'd guess they felt they could take advantage of our aggressivness on defense the 2nd time around and figured we'd work to stop TR. Perhaps in the extra 6 weeks they felt better about McCarron throwing so much. Many of the pass were safe, quick passes.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 4:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
Saban could have made those adjustments for the second half of the first game, correct?
Posted on 1/18/12 at 4:21 pm to sk33ter
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No his kickers sucked
When you kick from those distances, you tend to miss.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 4:27 pm to tigerskin
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Saban could have made those adjustments for the second half of the first game, correct?
Not really, the game plan they had on 1/9/12 was more than likely based on film study. I'd guuess they saw something in watching film of our defense that made them think they could have success throwing more. Also the 1st game was at home for them, different mentality. Maybe they thought they could win with the standard pound the ball with TR (he did have 170 or so total yds). Also on 11/5, Alabama outgained LSU and got inside the 35 something 7 times, I see that more a combo of LSU's D making plays and a failure of execution on their part, (the later is also a result of the former) not a "crappy" game plan.
What exactly is yourt point with these questions?
This post was edited on 1/18/12 at 4:29 pm
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