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Consider this situation regarding this whole Miles/Alleva fiasco...
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:21 pm
Let's say that Alleva held a presser the Monday after the Arky game to address the rumors Schadd had put out. He states that Miles is our coach for the foreseeable future and leaves it at that, just like he did right after the A&M game.
Now, the speculation continues and all the DALSU shite still occurs just like it did, but with the addition of Alleva clearly stating Miles is safe.
The season plays out the same and on November 30th, Alleva fires Miles.
How would your opinion change on this whole thing if Alleva had spoken out immediately and then went back on his word essentially and did the opposite of what was said?
Just curious as to how people would view this compared to how we are viewing the situation right now.
Now, the speculation continues and all the DALSU shite still occurs just like it did, but with the addition of Alleva clearly stating Miles is safe.
The season plays out the same and on November 30th, Alleva fires Miles.
How would your opinion change on this whole thing if Alleva had spoken out immediately and then went back on his word essentially and did the opposite of what was said?
Just curious as to how people would view this compared to how we are viewing the situation right now.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:23 pm to LSUSoulja08
favorably honestly
what is not to like?
what is not to like?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:23 pm to LSUSoulja08
I wouldn't care if Alleva lied and then fired Miles.
Not sure what else you are asking. I would be fine with that.
I think Alleva should have came out no matter what and said Les was going to be the coach.. even if lying.. and the media would have went away.
Not sure what else you are asking. I would be fine with that.
I think Alleva should have came out no matter what and said Les was going to be the coach.. even if lying.. and the media would have went away.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:25 pm to LSUSoulja08
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:27 pm to beauchristopher
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I wouldn't care if Alleva lied and then fired Miles.
Not sure what else you are asking. I would be fine with that.
I think Alleva should have came out no matter what and said Les was going to be the coach.. even if lying.. and the media would have went away.
yep
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:31 pm to LSUSoulja08
Alleva didn't have to lie. He simply needed to state:
"It is the policy of the athletic department to evaluate ALL coaches EVERY year AFTER the season is over. Any commentary or rumores relating to Les Miles' coaching future at LSU are not based in fact and did not originate from me or the athletic department".
After that statement Alleva can then do, in good faith, whatever he wants when the season is over. The man completely botched the situation.
"It is the policy of the athletic department to evaluate ALL coaches EVERY year AFTER the season is over. Any commentary or rumores relating to Les Miles' coaching future at LSU are not based in fact and did not originate from me or the athletic department".
After that statement Alleva can then do, in good faith, whatever he wants when the season is over. The man completely botched the situation.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:35 pm to LSUSoulja08
Miles fan, posiTiger, pumper here. If Alleva had done that, i.e. squashed the rumors and the board members had kept their mouths shut we'd likely be where UGA is right now, with Jimbo instead of Smart and I'd be perfectly fine with it.
I now hope that Miles can salvage the Class and right the ship, particularly offensively.
I'm running out of confidence that he will but I'm hopeful and he's earned the right to try.
If we are not in the SEC Championship/Playoffs next year then I'd be ready to move on respectfully.
Have some class and dignity as fans, if you are a booster or otherwise influential, keep your damn fat mouth closed and do what needs to be done behind closed doors and with some class.
I now hope that Miles can salvage the Class and right the ship, particularly offensively.
I'm running out of confidence that he will but I'm hopeful and he's earned the right to try.
If we are not in the SEC Championship/Playoffs next year then I'd be ready to move on respectfully.
Have some class and dignity as fans, if you are a booster or otherwise influential, keep your damn fat mouth closed and do what needs to be done behind closed doors and with some class.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:36 pm to beauchristopher
quote:You don't have to lie. You just phrase shite to navigate around the questions. All good AD's and coaches do it.
I wouldn't care if Alleva lied and then fired Miles
"Miles is our coach and will remain our coach, we're looking forward to a great performance this weekend"
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:40 pm to beauchristopher
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I wouldn't care if Alleva lied and then fired Miles. Not sure what else you are asking. I would be fine with that. I think Alleva should have came out no matter what and said Les was going to be the coach.. even if lying.. and the media would have went away.
This.
All the "lie" talk is stupid. I never blamed Saban for denying the rumors about Alabama while still coaching Miami. Of course you keep negotiations behind closed doors and put on a business as usual face to the media and public.
That's how this works. It's how Georgia handled it and without question how we should have.
They killed their own deal by being completely incompetent. And people say Miles is stubborn. Alleva's handling of this mess was suicidal.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:15 pm to KC Tiger
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It is the policy of the athletic department to evaluate ALL coaches EVERY year AFTER the season is over.
Isn't that pretty much what he said? And ESPN and the other hacks ignored it.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:16 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I think what really happened is that Alleva wanted to fire Miles and that his main, indeed only, focus was the size of the buyout. Once he got an indication that it could be raised by private sources, remember that that is the first thing that came out, he went full bore with leaks etc. I don't think that there was ever any chance of landing Jimbo, so the whole thing blew up in his face. Now he can't stay because he has definitely poisoned the well with Miles and what coach would want to come to work for him as AD?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:18 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I think there would have still been a huge fallout and a bunch of legislators on the floor of the Capital saying: "We can pay Les Miles $15 mil not to coach, but we can't pay our teachers". I can't tell you how many conversations I had with people who have no idea how the athletic department generates funds. I think that was a large portion of the public outcry and what brought on the political aspect.
I still have people at work saying the State can't afford to pay $15 million to Miles. It is just ridiculous that people will not understand or cannot understand how the Athletic department gets it funding. We spoke to people before the game and it was the same thing.
If Alleva never gives Miles the extension in 2012 or rewrites the contract correcting the massive buyout, he gets his coach. So don't be mistaken, this is still Alleva's fault, but the "poor LSU" facade plays all across the State when we are threatening to do away with 4-year Universities. Alleva has made every single problem he is currently having and the political climate where now the left is emboldened does not help. It shouldn't matter but it does.
I still have people at work saying the State can't afford to pay $15 million to Miles. It is just ridiculous that people will not understand or cannot understand how the Athletic department gets it funding. We spoke to people before the game and it was the same thing.
If Alleva never gives Miles the extension in 2012 or rewrites the contract correcting the massive buyout, he gets his coach. So don't be mistaken, this is still Alleva's fault, but the "poor LSU" facade plays all across the State when we are threatening to do away with 4-year Universities. Alleva has made every single problem he is currently having and the political climate where now the left is emboldened does not help. It shouldn't matter but it does.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:19 pm to LSUSoulja08
I wish that I could say that any of this mattered, but it doesn't. At the end of the day, LSU is stuck with Miles for as long as he wants to be here. The worst part is, there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. 
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:21 pm to Alatgr
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Isn't that pretty much what he said? And ESPN and the other hacks ignored it.
No. He issued one brief statement saying basically no comment. We NEVER saw him answer a question publicly.
The fact that he wasn't there at the Monday press conference when ESPN was literally selling it as a farewell announcement was a fireable offense imo
To let that go unchecked was an absolute disaster and complete incompetence on his part.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:29 pm to More&Les
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Miles fan, posiTiger, pumper here. If Alleva had done that, i.e. squashed the rumors and the board members had kept their mouths shut we'd likely be where UGA is right now, with Jimbo instead of Smart and I'd be perfectly fine with it.
I now hope that Miles can salvage the Class and right the ship, particularly offensively.
I'm running out of confidence that he will but I'm hopeful and he's earned the right to try.
If we are not in the SEC Championship/Playoffs next year then I'd be ready to move on respectfully.
Have some class and dignity as fans, if you are a booster or otherwise influential, keep your damn fat mouth closed and do what needs to be done behind closed doors and with some class.
My thoughts exactly
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if you are a booster or otherwise influential, keep your damn fat mouth closed and do what needs to be done behind closed doors and with some class.
This is part of our problem. Some of our biggest boosters are wealthy due to luck more than anything else. Good for them, but the point is they got where they are due to accidental good fortune, and now they think they're important, and they're damn well going to prove it to everybody. That's where leaks come from. Old money knows how to do deal with situations like this. New money doesn't.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:32 pm to More&Les
I could not agree more. Alleva let the shite show continue. He could have easily put a stop to it and still moved forward with whatever his original plan was.
It seemed as though Alleva liked the shenanigans and didn't care about any damage to LSU that was occurring. We still have a future recruiting class to worry about regardless of who was going to be head coach this week. His actions clearly gave the perception that he didn't give a shite about anything but making Les look bad.
His actions in the last two weeks needs attention and should receive a response from LSU. I personally say good riddance to Alleva and let's find someone who actually cares more about LSU than his ego.
It seemed as though Alleva liked the shenanigans and didn't care about any damage to LSU that was occurring. We still have a future recruiting class to worry about regardless of who was going to be head coach this week. His actions clearly gave the perception that he didn't give a shite about anything but making Les look bad.
His actions in the last two weeks needs attention and should receive a response from LSU. I personally say good riddance to Alleva and let's find someone who actually cares more about LSU than his ego.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:34 pm to KC Tiger
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Alleva didn't have to lie. He simply needed to state:
"It is the policy of the athletic department to evaluate ALL coaches EVERY year AFTER the season is over. Any commentary or rumores relating to Les Miles' coaching future at LSU are not based in fact and did not originate from me or the athletic department".
After that statement Alleva can then do, in good faith, whatever he wants when the season is over. The man completely botched the situation.
This is how it is done.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:36 pm to More&Les
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the board members had kept their mouths shut
This most of all. If that hot shot member of the BOS keeps his damn mouth shut everything comes out differently. In my opinion, he is to blame for the blow back.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:39 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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The fact that he wasn't there at the Monday press conference when ESPN was literally selling it as a farewell announcement was a fireable offense imo
That's ESPN's shoddy reporting problem, not Alleva's. At no point did any at LSU say that Les was saying farewell at that Monday Lunch with Les.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 2:41 pm to LSUSoulja08
Some people here under estimated the support that remained for miles. Just because a lot of drama queens wanted miles out, that doesn't mean that the majority of LSU fans felt the same way or felt that this was handled properly.
If anyone in authority at LSU actually gave a go ahead on this issue, they should be fired.
If you want to guy gone, you fire him. you don't set up some convoluted game plan where you only want him fired if you can get one coach. That simply is a disaster waiting to happen.
If anyone in authority at LSU actually gave a go ahead on this issue, they should be fired.
If you want to guy gone, you fire him. you don't set up some convoluted game plan where you only want him fired if you can get one coach. That simply is a disaster waiting to happen.
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