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re: Cannon's run question...
Posted on 11/21/10 at 7:37 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 11/21/10 at 7:37 pm to Antonio Moss
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bullshite.
Absolute and utter bullshite.
The records speak for themselves- Billy Cannon had world class speed- don't be fooled by that slowed down coach's film of his run, or similar footage from that era.
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Posted on 11/21/10 at 7:42 pm to PhiAlph279923
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Anybody that was at that game does not know how to use a computer. Secondly, Cannon stepped out of bounds ::covershead:
Oh yeah he stepped out of bounds because there was the, the, the, oh wait that's right there was one camera view which shows nothing of Cannon stepping out of bounds, which means you are an idiot.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 7:43 pm to MetryTyger
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Were any of you at that Halloween 1959 game who may remember in what direction Cannon returned his famous 89 yard punt return?
I was there (not really) but I know about 2 million people who were there- seems like EVERYONE says they were there, many who weren't even born yet. Everyone who says they were there should take a lie detector test, because the people who claim to have been there far outnumber the number of tickets sold to the game...
Posted on 11/21/10 at 7:44 pm to Ace Midnight
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So, which side are you on, then? "Cannon would win the Heisman at HB, even today" crowd, or the "Cannon couldn't even walk-on today" mob?
Cannon would be an outstanding player. Remember he played both ways. Patrick Peterson has been unable to stay on the field without even playing offense. (Cannon was also a return man).
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:12 pm to Ace Midnight
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One, I believe it was a pretty sloppy field.
I was there and don't recall it being wet at all. The players were dirty in the fourth quarter all right - mostly from sweat I imagine - they played both ways back then.
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He would not start (except possibly at safety), but could play backup corner, tailback or H-back and would still be able to return kicks.
Cannon could start and be a star on any team in America right now. The man was unbelieveable - fast and strong. Hell - he even punted and kicked field goals too.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:15 pm to Ace Midnight
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He had hand-timed 100yd dashes in the 9.4/9.5/9.6 range.
You do realize that a 9.4 would have been a world record in 1959.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:21 pm to Leonides
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He also made the stop on 4th down at the goal line at the very end of the game to preserve the victory, which is a fact most LSU fans are unaware of.
Yes - this was just as exciting as the run. Ole Miss got a first down inside the five yd line. On the first down play, they got to the one. LSU was off sides but they declined to penalty since it was only half-way to the goal. Thought they didn't need the extra play to score.
Three plays later they were still at the one.
Cannon was indeed in on the final tackle - think it was either Rabb or Robinson with him.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:36 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:You have been a major douche in this thread.
Antonio Moss
Posted on 11/21/10 at 8:59 pm to southernelite
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You have been a major douche in this thread.
Why?
Because I'm pointing out that in all likelihood some the claims of Cannon's 100 yard times are exaggerated.
I'm not saying he sucked. He was incredible and I'm sure he was fast as shite. But I doubt he was breaking word records.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 9:14 pm to Antonio Moss
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You do realize that a 9.4 would have been a world record in 1959.
No sir. Frank Wycoff ran a 9.4 (without blocks) as early as 1930. In HS, Jesse Owens ran a 9.4 in 1933. Mel Patton ran a 9.3 as early as 1948.
Several guys were running hand timed 9.4s in the late 50s. One of them was the SEC 100 yard champion, coincidentally LSU's Billy Cannon.
Thank you, please drive thru.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 9:16 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Cannon could start and be a star on any team in America right now.
I think very highly of Billy Cannon as a athlete, and as a football player, particularly. Others on here agree with your assessment. I respectfully disagree.
Posted on 11/21/10 at 10:30 pm to Tigertracks
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Cannon would be an outstanding player. Remember he played both ways. Patrick Peterson has been unable to stay on the field without even playing offense. (Cannon was also a return man).
you have any idea what PP would do against players from the 50s?
Posted on 11/21/10 at 11:23 pm to tiger in the gump
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you have any idea what PP would do against players from the 50s?
It is not easy to conceptualize what a "Team" of Billy Cannon-esque athletes would do to a team from the 1950s. Those guys were tough and they played with inferior equipment, 50s-era medical and training support, and they played both ways and I love them all dearly.
They wouldn't last a quarter with teams today. Some individuals could survive and perhaps contribute in very meaningful ways. However, just as Jesse Owens would not make the Olympic team today, Billy Cannon would be just another big, strong, fast athlete, and only the combination would be somewhat unique.
Time marches on. (I couldn't have played in any era. Small, slow and weak is not a good combination for anything, except getting your arse kicked.)
This post was edited on 11/21/10 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:01 am to Ace Midnight
Antonio Moss is a retard and fondles his own balls. Chances are he never put on a football uniform and would get his arse kicked by a 65 year old man who grew up in that era. No one with half a brain would make the type of arguments that he is making.
On Saturday at Tiger Stadium there were 5 players honored on the field that could play in any era.
Billy Canon, Y.A. Title, Jerry Stoval, Jim Taylor and Tommy Casanova.
On Saturday at Tiger Stadium there were 5 players honored on the field that could play in any era.
Billy Canon, Y.A. Title, Jerry Stoval, Jim Taylor and Tommy Casanova.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 2:06 am to kbmaverick
My 2 cents: I went through grammar and high school(Baton Rouge High) with Jimmy Taylor but I graduated a year early. I was in LSU medical school when Cannon made his famous run. In high school (Istrouma) Coach "Fuzzy" Brown usually sat Cannon down the second half, because Cannon and team had game wrapped up from high score and he didn't want to embarrass the other team with a hugh score - coaches sometimes did such things then - and didn't want Cannon to get injured.
You know Cannon also punted. When I was incollege Cannon won first place at SEC track meet in both 100 yard dash, and shot put. The saying went around that he was either the strongest spinter or the fastest shot putter anyone had known. That just about summed up his physical talents.
I was at the famous LSU - Ole Miss game. It rained heavily - I was soaked even though I had a rain-coat. The field was really soggy. Think Capital One Bowl turf when LSU played Penn State this past bowl season. Due to soggy field I'm sure that was not the fastest Cannon ever ran, but he was fast enough plus strong enough to beat everyone else and score.
History Bonus: Although I wasn't born when he played, I became friends with Abe Mikal. He was my teacher in medical school and became a mentor to me is specialty training. If his name comes up in the future I wll share information about longest LSU punt, longest "drop-kick" field goal. Wow, that's ancient. That's all, folks.
You know Cannon also punted. When I was incollege Cannon won first place at SEC track meet in both 100 yard dash, and shot put. The saying went around that he was either the strongest spinter or the fastest shot putter anyone had known. That just about summed up his physical talents.
I was at the famous LSU - Ole Miss game. It rained heavily - I was soaked even though I had a rain-coat. The field was really soggy. Think Capital One Bowl turf when LSU played Penn State this past bowl season. Due to soggy field I'm sure that was not the fastest Cannon ever ran, but he was fast enough plus strong enough to beat everyone else and score.
History Bonus: Although I wasn't born when he played, I became friends with Abe Mikal. He was my teacher in medical school and became a mentor to me is specialty training. If his name comes up in the future I wll share information about longest LSU punt, longest "drop-kick" field goal. Wow, that's ancient. That's all, folks.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 2:28 am to ole Tiger
I believe it was Paul Dietzel who said that Billy Cannon could have lost 20 pounds and been an olympic sprinter, or gained 20 pounds and been an olympic shot-putter.
I am the first one to agree that in college and the NFL, today's athletes, on the whole, are bigger, faster and stronger than 50-60 years ago (though when I see these guys cramping up, I wonder how they could have handled playing both ways.)
But the great ones from any era would be great today. Don't kid yourselves--Billy Cannon would be an All-American in 2010.
I am the first one to agree that in college and the NFL, today's athletes, on the whole, are bigger, faster and stronger than 50-60 years ago (though when I see these guys cramping up, I wonder how they could have handled playing both ways.)
But the great ones from any era would be great today. Don't kid yourselves--Billy Cannon would be an All-American in 2010.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 2:44 am to ole Tiger
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I was at the famous LSU - Ole Miss game. It rained heavily - I was soaked even though I had a rain-coat. The field was really soggy.
Interesting. ChineseBandits58 says:
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I was there and don't recall it being wet at all. The players were dirty in the fourth quarter all right - mostly from sweat I imagine
Please don't misunderstand. I'm not saying anyone is purposely lying. My memories of an event from 50 years ago would be totally different from someone else's.
It did seem to be quite a muddy field. Perhaps it had rained earlier in the day.
The main thing--in response to those saying Cannon was laughably "slow"--film was slower that day and it was like watching something slightly in slow motion. Cannon's leg pistoning would have been much faster in real life than what is illustrated on that film.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 3:26 am to timlan2057
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but Billy Cannon was a freak of an athlete
His son Billy Jr was pretty good also,played with A&M and the Cowboy's.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 6:18 am to LSUcrawfish
Holy shite!!! 10.39 50 years ago!!!!
And a saw someone say he was 6'1' 210? That is flicking ridiculous.
Like somebody said that is a freak athlete
And a saw someone say he was 6'1' 210? That is flicking ridiculous.
Like somebody said that is a freak athlete
Posted on 11/22/10 at 7:22 am to Datbayoubengal
Using a little high school algebra, I come up with an equivilant time of 10.28 for 100M. This is based on a time of 9.4 seconds in the 100 yard dash which Cannon did run in his junior year at LSU.
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