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Can someone explain why Patrick Peterson is so bad?
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:17 am
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:17 am
He's allowed 12 touchdowns since 2012, that's the most by any CB in the league. He's currently 2nd in the NFL in penalties as well. I don't get to watch many Cardinals games but what's up with him? Is he hurting?
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Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:18 am to xxKylexx
Oh lawds
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:18 am to xxKylexx
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:19 am to xxKylexx
Shut-up, Kyle...
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:21 am to xxKylexx
And here we go!!!!
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:21 am to xxKylexx
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:21 am to xxKylexx
He's not the best... But he's decent. A freakish athlete who deserves an 86 overall in madden 
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:22 am to xxKylexx
Les is meddling in the Cardinal secondary coverage scheme. I SAW THE LAMINATED SHEET!
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:26 am to xxKylexx
quote:well he actually covers the best WR on the field every game unlike some other "elite" players
He's allowed 12 touchdowns since 2012, that's the most by any CB in the league
so 12 TDs in 30ish? games to WR1s is damn impressive for anyone
quote:he admits to playing a physical corner. the game is geared towards offense. it happens.
He's currently 2nd in the NFL in penalties
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 10:27 am
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:27 am to RummelTiger
As a fellow Raider, shaddup
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:30 am to xxKylexx
quote:Because Saints CBs can't stay healthy long enough to touch that
He's allowed 12 touchdowns since 2012, that's the most by any CB in the league.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:38 am to Harry Caray
Keenan Lewis > PP
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:39 am to xxKylexx
Unfortunately, OP, the only thing bad here is your statistical analysis.
First of all, a flat number doesn't tell us anything. We would need to know the rate of targets to touchdowns in order to contextualize the number of TDs he's given up. If he's been targeted 8 times per game (which a cursory glance at targeting data for the most-used WRs seems to indicate is normal), then since the 2012 regular season he's been targeted 352 times. How does 12/352 compare to the other CBs in the league?
Secondly, as already noted, Peterson consistently plays against the other team's best WR. So in fact, we don't even want to compare to other CBs in the league; we want to compare targeting rates with other CBs in the league that consistently go against other WR1s. Where's that data?
Third, why is this the lone metric of Peterson's success as a defender? Certainly the number of points allowed (which is effectively what this measures) is a useful stat, but it doesn't tell the entire story. We should also be looking for yards per attempt allowed (including penalties due to PI and holding) and comparing that to other CBs in the league that consistently go against other WR1s. It's unfortunately not possible to do a complete statistical analysis of Peterson's impact, because part of a cornerback's impact is innately negative (that is, arguably their biggest impact is in forcing teams to throw away from them, which can't meaningfully be interpreted by conventional stats); but it's possible to do a partial analysis that holds some weight.
This is not an example of such analysis.
First of all, a flat number doesn't tell us anything. We would need to know the rate of targets to touchdowns in order to contextualize the number of TDs he's given up. If he's been targeted 8 times per game (which a cursory glance at targeting data for the most-used WRs seems to indicate is normal), then since the 2012 regular season he's been targeted 352 times. How does 12/352 compare to the other CBs in the league?
Secondly, as already noted, Peterson consistently plays against the other team's best WR. So in fact, we don't even want to compare to other CBs in the league; we want to compare targeting rates with other CBs in the league that consistently go against other WR1s. Where's that data?
Third, why is this the lone metric of Peterson's success as a defender? Certainly the number of points allowed (which is effectively what this measures) is a useful stat, but it doesn't tell the entire story. We should also be looking for yards per attempt allowed (including penalties due to PI and holding) and comparing that to other CBs in the league that consistently go against other WR1s. It's unfortunately not possible to do a complete statistical analysis of Peterson's impact, because part of a cornerback's impact is innately negative (that is, arguably their biggest impact is in forcing teams to throw away from them, which can't meaningfully be interpreted by conventional stats); but it's possible to do a partial analysis that holds some weight.
This is not an example of such analysis.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:43 am to Eden
Wow. 
/thread.
/thread. 
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:47 am to xxKylexx
Doesn't matter, got 70 million
Posted on 12/1/14 at 11:10 am to Eden
He doesn't shadow the top WR anymore. He has only done that against Julio and Dez this year. Julio cut him up, but he did lockdown Dez.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 11:14 am to Eden
quote:
Unfortunately, OP, the only thing bad here is your statistical analysis.
First of all, a flat number doesn't tell us anything. We would need to know the rate of targets to touchdowns in order to contextualize the number of TDs he's given up. If he's been targeted 8 times per game (which a cursory glance at targeting data for the most-used WRs seems to indicate is normal), then since the 2012 regular season he's been targeted 352 times. How does 12/352 compare to the other CBs in the league?
Secondly, as already noted, Peterson consistently plays against the other team's best WR. So in fact, we don't even want to compare to other CBs in the league; we want to compare targeting rates with other CBs in the league that consistently go against other WR1s. Where's that data?
Third, why is this the lone metric of Peterson's success as a defender? Certainly the number of points allowed (which is effectively what this measures) is a useful stat, but it doesn't tell the entire story. We should also be looking for yards per attempt allowed (including penalties due to PI and holding) and comparing that to other CBs in the league that consistently go against other WR1s. It's unfortunately not possible to do a complete statistical analysis of Peterson's impact, because part of a cornerback's impact is innately negative (that is, arguably their biggest impact is in forcing teams to throw away from them, which can't meaningfully be interpreted by conventional stats); but it's possible to do a partial analysis that holds some weight.
This is not an example of such analysis.
Fantastic. Have an upvote
Posted on 12/1/14 at 11:53 am to You will Artichokes
quote:
He doesn't shadow the top WR anymore. He has only done that against Julio and Dez this year. Julio cut him up, but he did lockdown Dez.
Hm. Alright then, that reduces some of his targets. If we were to be more rigorous we could go through all his games and get the exact number, and then compare to other corners to get a reliable measurement.
Surely you can agree, though, that quoting a flat number of TDs without any context doesn't qualify as meaningful analysis.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:04 pm to xxKylexx
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