Started By
Message

Can LSU quarterback Jayden Daniels make a Joe Burrow-like jump?

Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:33 am
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14415 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:33 am
I know we're supposed to hate ESPN, but this is a really good article on JD's progression and has some good BK stuff in there as well. It's worth a read. (disclaimer - not implying Burrow numbers or greatest season ever type jump)

quote:

But Kelly is a realist when he sits with ESPN in his office in June.

"Look, Alabama has been a model of consistency year in and year out. Georgia has been a model of consistency year in and year out," Kelly says. "We can't hang that moniker yet. We went from last to first -- that's not consistent. So what does that leave us? The ability to win and be the best team that day. That's it. So if you're measuring that, can we be the best team on that particular day and beat anybody? Absolutely. But can we be consistent? That's what we're going to try to prove."


quote:

Daniels finished with 2,913 yards, 17 touchdowns and three interceptions. While he threw the most catchable ball in the country (83% catchable pass rate), he rarely took shots downfield, ranking 103rd in the rate of pass attempts 20-plus yards downfield (10.6%).

Kelly says we were watching a young QB grow up. All Daniels needs to do is, "Let it go."


quote:

If Daniels -- a 6-foot-4, 210-pound senior -- wants to become a first-round pick in the NFL draft, Kelly says the first thing he needs to do is improve his pocket presence. That and making better anticipatory throws, letting the receiver run into space or throwing away from defenders.

While Daniels hasn't made "a ton" of those throws, Kelly says, "He started making them later in the season."

Jim Nagy, a former NFL scout who runs the Senior Bowl, agrees. He was at LSU's 2022 season-opener against Florida State and could see just how "discombobulated" the offense was and how uncomfortable Daniels was running it. Nagy says Daniels appeared "frenetic" at times.

But Nagy was there again in-person for the win over Ole Miss and followed along through the rest of the season, and what he saw led him to call Daniels the most improved player in the country. He wasn't perfect, Nagy says, but he stuck with his reads longer and fit the ball into tighter windows.


quote:

Nagy also says Daniels is more athletic than he gets credit for. He was at the Manning Passing Academy and says there's "no doubt" Daniels has an NFL-caliber arm.

"I'll start by saying this: we have Jayden at the same spot on the board right now that we had Joe going into his senior year," Nagy says. "It's essentially like a fringe Day 2-3 grade, kind of a fringe top-100 grade. And, man, that was a magical year for Joe. Joe's a pretty special guy when it comes to how he's wired as a competitor and leader. But he's in the same spot. And very similar -- they didn't ask too much of Jayden last year, just like they didn't ask a lot of Joe his first year there.


quote:

And where exactly does he think he can get better?

"The deep ball," he says. "Just letting it go and giving my guys a chance to go out there and make a play. I felt that probably the biggest leap that I took as a quarterback this offseason is building that timing with those guys and knowing how they run routes and giving them opportunities to go make plays downfield, which I know they can do at a high level."


Just some of the good stuff from the article.
ESPN
This post was edited on 8/16/23 at 7:55 am
Posted by PureBlood
The Motherland
Member since Oct 2021
3920 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:35 am to
Maybe... maybe not.


JB9's jump was impressive because he didnt have nearly the starts/reps as starter that JD5 has had.

JD5 is going into his 5 year as a starter. I hope we see a significant jump, but in reality, I think you'll see a similar guy as last year with more shots down the field. Still a good QB and that's all we need.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53809 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:39 am to
quote:

make a Joe Burrow jump?


No. But thats an unrealistic comp.

If he makes a Jamarcus jump and they can solidify the CB position just a little... LSU wins the west.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71411 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:42 am to
It's unrealistic to say he can make one of the greatest jumps in college history. If Daniels can throw a catchable deep and intermediate ball, he can be one of the best college QBs in the game today.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14415 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:45 am to
I almost changed the title because I don't like the comparison because it's unfair to JD but it was the original article title. The real question is can he make a significant jump in year 2 that translates into a run for LSU? I believe he can.

Based on the style and diversity of his game and our offense he's not going to throw for 60, 50 or even 40 TDs. I do think he can hit mid to high 30's with a possible double digit rush TD total again.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53809 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:47 am to
quote:

The real question is can he make a significant jump in year 2 that translates into a run for LSU? I believe he can.


I mean..if we just look at the jump he made from last September to last November I think it's reasonably fair to say he can also improve from year 1 to year 2.

Continuity in the coaching staff and system, developed relationship with players, etc.
Posted by Raging Tiger
Teedy Town
Member since Jun 2023
508 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:58 am to
Idk man, but I think you pull him if he doesn’t push the ball down the field by October.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53809 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:02 am to
quote:

I think you pull him i



August 16 and we've got our first backup QB post

Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70911 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:04 am to
quote:

Idk man, but I think you pull him if he doesn’t push the ball down the field by October.


Never change, ranters
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
7816 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:15 am to
quote:

Jayden Daniels make a Joe Burrow-like jump

quote:

not implying Burrow numbers or greatest season ever type jump

So what are you implying? Are you asking if he can just be better than he was last year?
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124429 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:20 am to
You guys have got to stop with Burrow comparisons

There will never be another joe.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
21000 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:23 am to
quote:

"Look, Alabama has been a model of consistency year in and year out. Georgia has been a model of consistency year in and year out," Kelly says. "We can't hang that moniker yet. We went from last to first -- that's not consistent. So what does that leave us? The ability to win and be the best team that day. That's it. So if you're measuring that, can we be the best team on that particular day and beat anybody? Absolutely. But can we be consistent? That's what we're going to try to prove."


put this under things that keep Nick Saban up at night..
Posted by brtiger77
Member since Aug 2023
176 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:25 am to
Always hard to compare someone to the best ever..

But Jayden could have a magical season. Different than Burrows but still magical
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15601 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:25 am to
I think he can make a jump. But then again, is Denbrock a Joe Brady? He may just be! Now, a little of the credit for that 2019 offense has to go to Brady. But, Burrow had to execute, but that play-calling was spectacular. Of course we had the athletes to do it.

And that's what makes 2023 so intriguing. Not only do we have a proven OC who BK trusts, but we have the ATHLETES and playmakers out the wazoo that JD will have at his disposal.

There are 2 important keys in my mind for the potential of the 2023 LSU offense.

One is the O-Line. We get some time for JD to throw, the sky's the limit for this offense.

The second is the play-calling. We have all the skill talent in the world. It's up to Denbrock to manage the game-plans for JD to get the ball to them in space.

Which I think he does. Can't wait!
Our stable of WRs, TEs, and RBs can match up with ANYBODY'S.

Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44565 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:27 am to
quote:


Players say Kelly brought an attention to detail and discipline that was lacking under the previous staff.
...

Asked what's one thing people should know about LSU this season, running back Josh Williams and defensive lineman Mekhi Wingo say the same thing: "We're coming."


BK got them baws speakin' all proper.
#NattyLoading

Posted by Gus Tinsley
NW LA.
Member since May 2008
3346 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:27 am to
No
Posted by LosTigres251
Plano
Member since Mar 2018
1593 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:30 am to
YES
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
21000 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:38 am to
Its possible but asking ALOT. Hindsight is 20/20 but go look at JB post Alabama in 2018, he was a much better QB than first have of the year. I do not think JB's leap was that big, he just got into a better scheme. He was a dude at the end of 2018. Seriously JB had the greatest season in the history of college football history. That is a lot to ask of JD, if he has 80% of a JB's season, LSU will be in the hunt and he would have a personal best season.
This post was edited on 8/16/23 at 8:40 am
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28363 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:41 am to
quote:

No. But thats an unrealistic comp.



Agreed.

However, the single biggest thing that facilitated Burrow's "jump" was the completely revamped offensive approach in 2019. Had LSU stuck with Ensminger's offense in 2019 Burrow would have been better than in 2018, but nowhere close to how good he was in 2019.

quote:

If he makes a Jamarcus jump


This is more realistic.

This is Daniels's 5th year as a starting QB. Everyone knows what he does well and what he struggles with by now. Doing the same things LSU/Denbrock did with Daniels last season and expecting him to be much better simply because he is a year older is foolish. We already have a ton of data on Daniels (that wasn't the case with Burrow who had only started one season). He's unlikely to improve a ton. The difference will be tailoring the offensive approach to accentuate his strengths and mitigating his weaknesses. If the coaching staff does that, Daniels can be as dynamic as any QB at LSU not named Burrow.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
4850 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 8:43 am to
quote:

Can LSU quarterback Jayden Daniels make a Joe Burrow-like jump?


Everyone will say no, but realistically it’s a possibility.

Not that he will be as good of a passer as Joey B this season, but there is definitely a possibility that he can lead LSU to an undefeated season & win a heisman in the process.

They are two different types of quarterbacks and that’s okay.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 4Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram