Brad Underwood hired at Oklahoma State

We still got a chance with Doug Gottlieb

There were actually some of our fans that thought we could land Brad Underwood?

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There were actually some of our fans that thought we could land Brad Underwood?

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Best part is that's not even the most delusional suggestion made in the last week.

People seriously think Archie Miller, Tony Bennett or Gregg Marshall would come here.

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People seriously think Archie Miller, Tony Bennett or Gregg Marshall would come here.

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if LSU opens up the check book, you're a fool to think they wouldn't (well probably not bennett). A similar investment is going to have to be made like when we paid well above market value for Saban. People forget when we hired him, we made him a top 3 paid HC from day one.

I don't think anyone on this board knows who would or would not come here if LSU decided to pay a competitive salary for a tier one talented coach. We get what we pay for. TCU obviously decided to step up and bring back one of their own to Fort Worth. Difference being that Jamie Dixon has proven himself in a basketball conference and they had to pay him. We got back one of our own on the cheap because he had no real skins on the wall. No one would say that basketball wise TCU is a step up over Pitt. LSU was a step up over UNT even without a pay raise, which JJ got. No one will take LSU basketball serious until LSU takes basketball serious.

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Brady got fired a few weeks after his 39 point home game with a lottery pick. After that they lost lost 7 out of 8 and were well under .500 when they fired him.

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Very true

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Having a winning record this year and it being the first total letdown year he has had is why Johnny Jones still has a job. No doubt he will be coaching for his job next year though.

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Maybe. But is there ANYTHING in Jones long head coaching career to indicate that he is all of a sudden going to produce results that he has NEVER produced in 16 years of being a head coach (i.e win an outright conf. title or a NCAAT game)? At least Brady had 4 NCAAT appearances with a 6-4 record therein and a final four appearance. Jones is arguably the least accomplished coach in the SEC. So what is the benchmark that Jones has to hit for next season to be considered a "success"? Making it to the NCAAT? Winning a game in the tournament? Managing not to fall asleep on the bench during an entire 40 minute game? If you don't think he's going to reach any of those benchmarks for a "successful" season (and the chances of doing so are much lower next year than they were this year), then why waste next year prolonging the inevitable? It's always better to make a move a year too early rather than a year too late. Waiting until next year is just going to make the inevitable a year too late. That is, unless LSU really doesn't give a shite about the men's basketball program so long as it can be run on the cheap.

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If you don't think he's going to reach any of those benchmarks for a "successful" season (and the chances of doing so are much lower next year than they were this year), then why waste next year prolonging the inevitable? It's always better to make a move a year too early rather than a year too late. Waiting until next year is just going to make the inevitable a year too late. That is, unless LSU really doesn't give a shite about the men's basketball program so long as it can be run on the cheap.

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I think the main reason is, as the poster above you said, he deserves one more season to see if he can right the ship. He was steadily, albeit slowly, improving the program each year he had been here until this season. He deserves one more year to see if he can push our program a little farther.

I'm a Jones supporter, but if after 5 seasons we still haven't won an NCAA tournament game, well then I'll agree that he needs to go. But I believe every coach deserves 5 years before being let go.

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I'm a Jones supporter, but if after 5 seasons we still haven't won an NCAA tournament game, well then I'll agree that he needs to go. But I believe every coach deserves 5 years before being let go

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The only hope Jones has of making it to the tourney next year and winning a game in it lies squarely on whether or not if Blakeney stays. Even if he decides to stay, it still will be an uphill battle. For the past two years or so, Jones has relied squarely on the talent of his players to win games. We haven't seen any actual coaching or in game adjustments made over said years.

Next year, Jones will have to demonstrate that he has the coaching acumen to get this team to make a run for the tourney. This will be the least talented team he has had since likely his first year on the job.

its back to back disappointing seasons for Johnny, not 1.

if Johnny can't do shite with the talent he's had these last 2 seasons, when can you expect him to?

But it goes beyond just that, Johnny's teams have all pretty much seemed to lack basic fundamentals and an understanding of the game. That's coaching.

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I think the main reason is, as the poster above you said, he deserves one more season to see if he can right the ship. He was steadily, albeit slowly, improving the program each year he had been here until this season. He deserves one more year to see if he can push our program a little farther.

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And this season was supposed to be the crescendo of that improvement. Jones hyped it as much. LSU hyped it as much. In the end they fell flat on their face. So next year you have to start all over again. Any enthusiasm about the basketball program coming into this past season is now gone. Jones will be starting from scratch again in that department. New season tickets requests will be minimal (if at all). What's more likely is numerous season ticket cancellations. Nationally, LSU's basketball program right now is perceived as a joke. That certainly can't help recruiting which is already a bit shaky with a fairly average class coming in next season. All the good will that was built up over the last 3 seasons has essentially evaporated.

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I'm a Jones supporter, but if after 5 seasons we still haven't won an NCAA tournament game, well then I'll agree that he needs to go. But I believe every coach deserves 5 years before being let go.

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Why does he "deserve" 5 years when it is clearly evident after 4 that he is not the guy that will be able to lead LSU to where they (hopefully) want to be as a program? He's been a D-1 head coach for 16 years. Is his in-game coaching all of a sudden going to get remarkably better in year 17? Are his teams going to all of a sudden not look like an unorganized mess next season, when they have every other year prior? Why should anyone be confident that he's going to do something next season (win a NCAAT game) that he's never done in 16 prior seasons? With a less talented roster! Frankly, it's unfair to Jones to make that ultimatum.

Take LSU off the jersey and Jones' name out of the equation. If I said that Team "X" from the SEC, Big 12, ACC, etc. was hiring a new coach with a career conf. record of .500 in 12 years has a HC; 2 NCAAT appearance with 0 wins (and a 17 point avg. margin of defeat in the losses) and only 2 seasons out of 12 where he finished higher than 2nd in his division, everyone would ridicule Team X for making such a bad hire. Yet somehow that hire is good enough for LSU? Give me a break!