re: Assuming Kiffin is a no go, who's your next call for OC?

APPLEWHITE.....most are upset we didn't land Herman. At least we can get his OC....

How about I just quote you:

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The whole "O just need an elite OC" argument is retarded.

No. We need an elite HC.

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So you said the argument was retarded. Check.

You said that we need an elite head coach, implying Orgeron is not one. So who is the elite head coach we need? Herman? Jimbo?

You keep trying so hard and trying to say that others aren't arguing anything. Reality is that you aren't saying shite other than "uhhh strawman" or "yet you can't argue against it" and you know you don't have jack shite in the way of an actual point.

Why the frick would Applewhite leave the coach who gave him another shot with his Alma Mater for the city and team he spurned as a high school recruit?

Throw a big amount at Sarkisian. Do it now before the Kiffin domino falls. Make Sark say no.

What's his track record that indicates that he is elite or that he is ready to implement an entire new offensive scheme and develop a QB at this level?

You're trying to go back to your old tired hypocritical argument here and it isn't working.

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Or paying Herman more money than Nick Saban would have definitely been a good move?

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No one suggested this, stop making things up.

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Sterlin Gilbert and Matt Canada, personally.

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LINCOLN RILEY! MARK HELFRICH!

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What's his track record that indicates that he is elite or that he is ready to implement an entire new offensive scheme and develop a QB at this level?

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And one can't ask the same about O?

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Yet you can't argue against it

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Here is the argument against it and I'll preface this with saying that I DO think the search was a joke and that we should've hired Herman if at all possible.

- O won games with elite talent that he inherited from Miles
- O won games b/c of an elite DC
- O won games b/c he is an above average motivator
- O won games b/c he faced below average teams
- O won games b/c he didn't interfere with the offensive game plan. He let a position coach run the offense
- O lost a game b/c he played better competition vs. Bama AND b/c the O looked abysmal
- O lost an inexcusable game vs UF @ home to a 14 pt dog with the Sugar Bowl on the line. In that game we scored 10 though we should've scored at least 10 more.

Alleva F'ed up and went all in on JF and TH and whiffed.

O goes to Alleva with his sales pitch - our D is insane and I'll retain Aranda
- we can recruit with anyone and that won't change
- LSU has been a shitstain on O under Miles.
- Look what we accomplished with Ensminger at the helm. FKN ENSMINGER
- I will bring in an elite OC to match Aranda and the talent will remain world class

O didn't get the job based on his interim performance. He got it on his interim performance PLUS the promise to fix what was broken during his interim performance which was offense. That is a hangover from Miles pathetic O.

If you assume O got the gig based on his interim performance you say well Ensminger was part of that performance and he arguably did more than O.

But the offense was the problem during O's interim stint and he convinced Alleva that he could do what Miles couldn't - fix it. Maybe by promising to land Kiffin.

** plus Alleva's mishandling of the "search" left him high and dry so O looked more attractive.

O positioned it as Ensminger was my best option in the situation I inherited and we lost to Bama by 10 and should've beaten UF. Let me bring in my guy and I'll have us competing for the west.

We'll see if he can deliver.

But by no means has Ensminger earned an OC position.

Well said. Agree 100%