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Posted on 4/12/24 at 11:14 am to cyarrr
Who said he was going to be a great player ? Not me.... but he is a much needed one, especially at the point. Mac is trying to piece it together and is doing it. This is what college basketball has devolved into sadly.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 11:14 am to Alt26
There is nothing hyperbole about saying Jordan Sears is a good pickup. Or Cam Carter. No one said they will take us to the SEC championship. The fact that people find the need to "temper" expectations is ridiculous. What expectations? That we might be better next year? We shouldn't have that type of expectation? That's the stupidity of all of this. And the reason Wade is brought up is because these calls for "tempered" expectations or negativity come from The Wade cult so of course he's brought up. They say MM needs to get a veteran PG in portal. He does. An exceptional PG in the conference he played in. Not just another but one of the best. A PG who is basically here to give Givens the opportunity to work into the role with less pressure to play right away. So we should automatically say he won't be successful because of where he played even though he averaged 20 ppg against SEC teams? He's a PG. he's not being brought here to be the primary scorer. How about the Wade cult "temper" their expectations about Mcmahon sucking next year. There's a novel idea. Because they continue to say he'll suck no matter who he signs. This is a one sided argument. I don't see any hyperbole about Mcmahon signings although his 3 HS signees are solid gets and hopefully he can build on those just like Ward, Reed and Williams. But of course we must temper our expectations for those players and just assume they won't be worth a crap because Mcmahon signed them. Or the fact that he redshirted Chest and still got him and Collins to stay. But we should probably assume they will suck too. Temper those expectations. LOL.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:51 pm to mcspufftiger7
My goodness this comes across as unhinged. Almost like battered wife syndrome.
The title of the thread is "Another big pickup for Men’s Basketball". Who knows if it is a "big" pick up? He could be the best PG to ever play for LSU...or the worst. But NO ONE can know until he actually plays for LSU. Point is he may or may not be a "big" pickup. But rather than make any definitive statements of that sort, let's just see him play for LSU first.
Feel free to have whatever expectations you'd like. No one can stop you. I'm just commenting on the OP. No one can know if the pickup is "big" or not until he actually plays. So in that regard I'll reserve judgement on the impact or not until then.
Quite literally nowhere in my post did I mention Wade. Nothing about Wade was even implied. You brought him up.
No. But you shouldn't automatically say he WILL be successful on that basis either.
He's 31-35 (11-25) at LSU. There's not a lot to base a huge sense of optimism upon. That's not to say he can't and won't win next season. If you are an LSU fan you hope he does. But I can understand why many (myself included) are taking a wait-and-see/"show me" outlook.
When Ed Oregeron was hired many were, understandably, skeptical given his only major conf. head coaching experience at Ole Miss was a disaster. Then he went 9-4...then 10-3...then 15-0. After that you stopped hearing about Ole Miss and the skepticism melted away because he had actually PRODUCED at LSU (at least until he program tanked immediately thereafter) . If/when McMahon produces they same will apply to him. But until then most fans will remain skeptical.
In essence it boils down to this...don't TELL me how good you are going to be. SHOW me. When McMahon does that he'll get the credit. But you're admonishing people for not believing in a guy that has given them very little reason to believe in him.
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There is nothing hyperbole about saying Jordan Sears is a good pickup.
The title of the thread is "Another big pickup for Men’s Basketball". Who knows if it is a "big" pick up? He could be the best PG to ever play for LSU...or the worst. But NO ONE can know until he actually plays for LSU. Point is he may or may not be a "big" pickup. But rather than make any definitive statements of that sort, let's just see him play for LSU first.
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The fact that people find the need to "temper" expectations is ridiculous. What expectations? That we might be better next year? We shouldn't have that type of expectation? That's the stupidity of all of this.
Feel free to have whatever expectations you'd like. No one can stop you. I'm just commenting on the OP. No one can know if the pickup is "big" or not until he actually plays. So in that regard I'll reserve judgement on the impact or not until then.
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And the reason Wade is brought up is because these calls for "tempered" expectations or negativity come from The Wade cult so of course he's brought up.
Quite literally nowhere in my post did I mention Wade. Nothing about Wade was even implied. You brought him up.
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So we should automatically say he won't be successful because of where he played even though he averaged 20 ppg against SEC teams?
No. But you shouldn't automatically say he WILL be successful on that basis either.
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How about the Wade cult "temper" their expectations about Mcmahon sucking next year. There's a novel idea. Because they continue to say he'll suck no matter who he signs. This is a one sided argument.
He's 31-35 (11-25) at LSU. There's not a lot to base a huge sense of optimism upon. That's not to say he can't and won't win next season. If you are an LSU fan you hope he does. But I can understand why many (myself included) are taking a wait-and-see/"show me" outlook.
When Ed Oregeron was hired many were, understandably, skeptical given his only major conf. head coaching experience at Ole Miss was a disaster. Then he went 9-4...then 10-3...then 15-0. After that you stopped hearing about Ole Miss and the skepticism melted away because he had actually PRODUCED at LSU (at least until he program tanked immediately thereafter) . If/when McMahon produces they same will apply to him. But until then most fans will remain skeptical.
In essence it boils down to this...don't TELL me how good you are going to be. SHOW me. When McMahon does that he'll get the credit. But you're admonishing people for not believing in a guy that has given them very little reason to believe in him.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:53 pm to Alt26
the backcourt should be set assuming no one else leaves LSU
still concerned in the post, very little size and if you don't add some pieces there it's gonna be about the same season as last year
still concerned in the post, very little size and if you don't add some pieces there it's gonna be about the same season as last year
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:57 pm to Alt26
I’m trying to figure out if I’m considered a McMahon hater on here or not. I was trying to point out his game from what I’ve seen. I didn’t mention McMahon or Wade, I didn’t say he was bad or we didn’t need him. If anything I was pointing out if his scoring totals are lower, it’s not that he’s a bust necessarily, it’s that he’s filling a role we need given his talents.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:59 pm to pbtiger
No more excuses. He better have us in the tournament this year
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:59 pm to Alt26
I agree with everything you just said except for the fact that Coach O didn’t find the football program in the same situation CMM found the basketball program. LSU basketball isn’t exactly a recruiting powerhouse for one and CMM dealt with a black cloud of NCAA sanctions over the program the first two years. At this point I think as a program we have finally moved past all of that and he has built a capable roster in which he can finally be evaluated on this upcoming season.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:02 pm to Alt26
For the life of me I cannot understand why showing excitement or optimism on this forum is frowned upon by so many people. It’s almost like people want to be miserable and anyone who shows a hint of positivity will get bombarded by a dose of negativity. By all means you should temper your expectations … how dare you show support!
Yeah, this site is toxic.
Yeah, this site is toxic.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:09 pm to The Pirate King
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It's just funny that the bar for bball is so low; a UT-Martin transfer is a "huge" get.
1) Mark Sears for Alabama came from Ohio
2) Latrell Wrightsell came from CS Fullerton
3) Nick Pringle came from community college and Wofford.
If you're that ignorant just don't comment.
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Wait, we are getting Sears from Alabama?
Sounded funny in my head.not so much looking at it. Hitting submit anyway.
Agree with your comment.
It's just funny that the bar for bball is so low; a UT-Martin transfer is a "huge" get.
1) Mark Sears for Alabama came from Ohio
2) Latrell Wrightsell came from CS Fullerton
3) Nick Pringle came from community college and Wofford.
If you're that ignorant just don't comment.
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Wait, we are getting Sears from Alabama?
Sounded funny in my head.not so much looking at it. Hitting submit anyway.
Agree with your comment.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:14 pm to pbtiger
LSU top 10 in the nation in offseason recruiting/transfers
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:46 pm to Who_Dat_Tiger
LOL. The battered wife syndrome is the wade cult. They cannot help themselves as almost 3 years later they are still traumatized. Big Pickup, Huge get, nice get, what the f**k ever. The fact that the wade cult feels the need to come on here and tell an LSU basketball fan that their enthusiasm for the team and the coach or the players is a waste of time is what is unhinged. Go be miserable some where else. I mean there was literally a post of an idiot asking if Mcmahon would be coaching in the new arena. Now how stupid do you have to be to even ask that question much less post it. he'll probably be dead by the time it's built.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:57 pm to mcspufftiger7
DJ Burns 12.5ppg Winthrop
Dalton Knecht 20.5ppg North Colorado
I can assure you if Mcmahon had signed either one of these we'd get the same stupid anti Mcmahon posts. yeah none of his portal players has played yet so we don't know how it will translate to the SEC. NO ONE KNOWS. That's the point. So if LSU BBall fans, real fans, not fans of a coach but fans of LSU Basketball, choose to be positive about the signings so the f**k what. Like I said you really have to have a miserable life to spend all of your time trying to tear down a coach and a team and if you're not the one doing that then I'm not talking to you,
Dalton Knecht 20.5ppg North Colorado
I can assure you if Mcmahon had signed either one of these we'd get the same stupid anti Mcmahon posts. yeah none of his portal players has played yet so we don't know how it will translate to the SEC. NO ONE KNOWS. That's the point. So if LSU BBall fans, real fans, not fans of a coach but fans of LSU Basketball, choose to be positive about the signings so the f**k what. Like I said you really have to have a miserable life to spend all of your time trying to tear down a coach and a team and if you're not the one doing that then I'm not talking to you,
Posted on 4/12/24 at 2:23 pm to mcspufftiger7
And BTW Sears was a finalist for the Lou Henson Player of the Year and was a former 4 star recruit so yeah, NICE GET!
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:01 pm to pbtiger
He’s barely ranked as a top 100 transfer. We don’t need to pretend like this is similar to getting Mark Sears who was a consensus top 10 transfer.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:10 pm to Old Man and a Porch
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Is a transfer from UT Martin going to be an impact player in the SEC? I doubt it. It’s an improvement, but going into year three I expect more.
This season's SEC Player of the Year transferred from UNCO.
If you don't watch basketball, why even comment in this thread?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:15 pm to Rb52224
Not acting like anything. I don't care where he was ranked. NICE GET! If we are going to get a guard from a mid major, I'll take the guard with the previous stats below. So finalist for the Lou Henson POY barely made the top 100 transfers. LOL. I guess these are the same guys that rated Justin Jefferson?
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Sears is the only active NCAA Division I men’s basketball player to accumulate at least 650 points, 140 rebounds, 140 assists and 75 made three-pointers in 2023-24, going off for six games of at least 30 points. In just two seasons at UT Martin, Sears has poured in 1,181 points – ranking 10th in school history in that category.
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Sears is the only active NCAA Division I men’s basketball player to accumulate at least 650 points, 140 rebounds, 140 assists and 75 made three-pointers in 2023-24, going off for six games of at least 30 points. In just two seasons at UT Martin, Sears has poured in 1,181 points – ranking 10th in school history in that category.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:52 pm to mcspufftiger7
Here’s part of the write up from the athletic that ranked him 99th. UT Martin played at the 7th fastest tempo so per game stats will be inflated. That’s not to say he won’t be good - but expecting him to be a high level player is how you set yourself up for disappointment.
“A small scoring guard, Sears is a two-time first-team All-OVC pick and a two-time All-OVC Tournament player. He’s a big-time shot creator who uses quick-twitch moves to get into the midrange and toward the rim, though I’m skeptical if those skills will translate to the next level. Sears made just 46.7 percent of his shots at the rim, 38 percent of his floaters and only 33 percent of his midrange jumpers, per Synergy, despite playing against the 328th-ranked strength of schedule in the country.”
“A small scoring guard, Sears is a two-time first-team All-OVC pick and a two-time All-OVC Tournament player. He’s a big-time shot creator who uses quick-twitch moves to get into the midrange and toward the rim, though I’m skeptical if those skills will translate to the next level. Sears made just 46.7 percent of his shots at the rim, 38 percent of his floaters and only 33 percent of his midrange jumpers, per Synergy, despite playing against the 328th-ranked strength of schedule in the country.”
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 4/12/24 at 4:16 pm to Rb52224
Mike Hanson came from UT Martin. He turned out ok. The NCAA handed LSU its punishment on June 21 of last year. Well after the signing period and well after the portal closed. You’d have to be the dumbest person on this earth to believe that any kid that is elite and has aspirations of playing in the NBA would even consider coming to LSU. We severely lack in talent and depth. And it’s certainly not MM fault.
Now that being said, we don’t have the shroud of the previous regime hanging over our program. This isn’t a make or break year for MM and he’ll be given another year unless he totally shits the bed.
Now that being said, we don’t have the shroud of the previous regime hanging over our program. This isn’t a make or break year for MM and he’ll be given another year unless he totally shits the bed.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 4:38 pm to cmacatl13
I expect him to be a good player. Anything above that will be icing on the cake. I’m not expecting Mark Sears. We will have plenty of scoring options on this team. But it’s not like he was some guard that avg 11 ppg.
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