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re: All of our "talent" at WR
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:04 pm to ryanlsu
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:04 pm to ryanlsu
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ryanlsu
Well i'm sure glad your not our coach..cause ur freaking retarted.seriously it doesnt matter whether they know or not the frickING ball is coming to them...they have one job..Catch the MF!!!!!!
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Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:09 pm to just me
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While many posters note that Shep was a 5* recruit, few seem to remember that he was not a 5* recruit at WR.
Bingo. He needs to get the snap.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:12 pm to dmitch
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JMO but i think they are using the wrong WR's on the wrong plays. the screen they threw to Rueben should have been to shep.
This explains what I was trying to say better than I could.
It seems like the pass plays (ok all plays) are just kind of chosen at random and not designed for specific players. When your quarterback is struggling you need to help him by designing plays around your other players. It makes me sick when Randle is running underneath and Shep is running a deep post with one man defender. RR (or Toliver for that matter) has the size and strength to challenge the defender and make the grab. Shep on the other hand, has the quickness and agility to find the enzone when you run a WR screen from 8 yards out (not that RR doesnt but if you're gonna make that call at least put it in the player's ahands that is most suited to the situation). It is just horrible utilization of specific player strengths.
MOST qbs, in college and NFL, rack up a good portion of their yards by dumping the ball off short and letting the athletes go. This just doesn not even seem like and objective of our offense which has killed our consistency (and stats).
So I def agree with the OP and most opinions in this thread that the offensive problems are a culmination of many things not just the qb.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:14 pm to Powerman
I posted this 2 weeks ago. HOWEVER, seeing passes thrown at the feet orf receivers and JJ has ZERO touch, can't throw back shoulder passes, NEVER throws an out and well, holds the ball too long. Even the announcers FINALLY said what I have been for 2 years, he is not comfortable throwing to a spot or before a receiver breaks. It is almost as if he is worried about his stats completion %. That is a BAD habit.
Blame Crowton or whoever, but he has lost whatever skills he probably had in high school. freak, just throw it and let the receiver run under it.
Blame Crowton or whoever, but he has lost whatever skills he probably had in high school. freak, just throw it and let the receiver run under it.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:19 pm to Jaketigger
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freak, just throw it and let the receiver run under it.
You actually starting to sound like you knew something about football..then you said that..Now i understand you are a trouble middle school coach who is disturbed because you wishbone offense isnt working
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:21 pm to ryanlsu
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In order to talk about the receivers you almost have to talk about the qb. And I disagree with the OP
His point was that the wr's arent living up to the hype so no you do not have to add some lazy remark that the QB is off target because it isnt really relevant. Not relevant because a group of receivers as highly regarded as LSU's top 3 should supposedly make any QB look good. The top 2 were both rivals #1 Wr's in the country (if I'm not mistaken but I could be)and the #3 (RS) was supposed to be the most dynamic playmaker coming out of HS. All that should add up to some offense on its own but it hasn't.
I just find it so lazy to blame everything going wrong with an offense on a QB. Although he obviously hasn't been too good, the QB is the one position on the field that requires everyone else to do their part (including coaches) to make him look good. If the team is functioning together than it will be really hard for him to get anything going.
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I think all three end up playing in the NFL.
Now I def agree with this as well.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:23 pm to Powerman
I agree with OP completely. Our Wr's can't catch a beach ball in a shower stall. They have not helped JJ in the least.
But...
The OP fails to mention the O-Line as well. I think the O-Line is as much to blame as the WR's. On the rare occasion a lineman doesn't false start or hold someone... they let the pass rush beat JJ to the pocket.
We just don't have the O-line or receivers (including TE's) or FB or everything pretty much that we had back in 2003 and 2007 (offensively speaking). Thats the biggest reason we are in the shape we are.
JJ can make some nice plays. I've seen them. The problem is most are negated by holds and dropped passes. Not to mention he's always throwing from a 3rd and 15 set.
Nobody is saying JJ is a heisman candidate, but he's sure as hell getting a lot of help fricking things up.
I'd just like to see one drive where there is good protection, no holding, no false starts, no dropped passes, no 4 yd route on 3rd and 8... just once... please! But then again if that miracle was to happen... we'd still need some decent plays called. With that being said, there are still idiots out there that think this is all JJ.
But...
The OP fails to mention the O-Line as well. I think the O-Line is as much to blame as the WR's. On the rare occasion a lineman doesn't false start or hold someone... they let the pass rush beat JJ to the pocket.
We just don't have the O-line or receivers (including TE's) or FB or everything pretty much that we had back in 2003 and 2007 (offensively speaking). Thats the biggest reason we are in the shape we are.
JJ can make some nice plays. I've seen them. The problem is most are negated by holds and dropped passes. Not to mention he's always throwing from a 3rd and 15 set.
Nobody is saying JJ is a heisman candidate, but he's sure as hell getting a lot of help fricking things up.
I'd just like to see one drive where there is good protection, no holding, no false starts, no dropped passes, no 4 yd route on 3rd and 8... just once... please! But then again if that miracle was to happen... we'd still need some decent plays called. With that being said, there are still idiots out there that think this is all JJ.
This post was edited on 10/1/10 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:26 pm to Geaux Tahel
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Nobody is saying JJ is a heisman candidate, but he's sure as hell getting a lot of help fricking things up.
HE IS GOD AWFUL!! Please stop this thread. Receivers drop a couple balls, oline makes a mistake, but each have been playing well. Watch the convulsion RS makes sometimes to catch some of Jefferson's passes. I love people like this. It's the same people who would comment on PP7 getting burnt on a play but defend Rahem Alem (walking liability).
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:27 pm to Powerman
I agree. This is the worst group of receivers we've had since 2004. RR is the only legit big play guy we have. Deangelo Peterson may be the next best at WR. Shep is an RB no matter what anyone says.
Having said that, there is still no excuse for the current QB play.
Having said that, there is still no excuse for the current QB play.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:30 pm to omegaman66
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TT has forgotten how to catch the ball.
With all the negativity toward JJ, have to admit, that TT may be the biggest disappointment so far this season. At this point, he probably should have gone pro last year, because with this year's performance, he will not even be drafted unless he really turns it up several notches. Hopefully, he starts this week...
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:36 pm to Powerman
First of all this is comparing apples to oranges until you have a legit (Russell,Flynn,Perrilloux)quarterback under center. Toliver was a member of the '07 bunch and performed very well when given the chance. Byrd and Lafell's so-called sub-par performances in '08 and '09 could at least partially be attributed to the severe drop-off in QB efficiency. I agree that the current trio of starters have not lived up to their potential but that feat is exasperated by the inadequate qb play. It's difficult not to imagine them performing much better with a JR,MF or RP tossing them the ball.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:56 pm to OceanMan
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highly regarded as LSU's top 3 should supposedly make any QB look good
you cant make the QB look good if he blows and the playcalling is bad.
It's that simple.
they can catch every 8 yard pass JJ throws and they wouldnt be considered good.
Why? Because you cannot showcase playmakers like that.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 2:56 pm to Powerman
RS has not ever been, is not now, and quite possibly may never be a WR at this level or the next.
Right now he should be our wildcat QB.
Right now he should be our wildcat QB.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:00 pm to Lester Earl
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you cant make the QB look good if he blows and the playcalling is bad.
I agree. I just don't think that this group is on the elite level that a lot of people think.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:29 pm to Lester Earl
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you cant make the QB look good if he blows and the playcalling is bad.
See my first post about the quarterbacks buddy. I figured there would be a few like you that just couldnt resist.
Please read the entire thread for context before making a comment. I was simply illustrating the assertion that if the wr's were as good as some people expected them to be, they wouldn't have to rely on the qb play in order to stand out. And if you can't think of any great impact receivers that have played for horrible quarterbacks before than you should probably stop talking about football all together. I would suggest that the #1 rated wr in high school could meet that description (not to mention 2 #1's).
I know it makes you feel better to come on this site every day and say how bad you think the qb is regardless of what is being discussed but you really cant add any substance to the thread if you don't take the time to read all the comments posted above your own.
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It's that simple.
Maybe, if it helps for you to simplify things like that in order for them to make sense. But as we get older we learn how to recognize cause and effect and learn to take a step back from situations and see the big picture sometimes. You'll see one day.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:34 pm to OceanMan
Every team has drops, I have never seen anyone make so many excuses for one player. There were a lot of drops in 07 but everyone was blaming Flynn.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:54 pm to Powerman
Has a single person mentioned the TOTAL # of drops we have had this year? Official drops not could have caught it passes.
Some of you are acting like we have dropped 80% of our passes. (of course that could be the difference of 3 passes the way this team never throws)
I only saw 2 drops in the last game. What was the real number?
Some of you are acting like we have dropped 80% of our passes. (of course that could be the difference of 3 passes the way this team never throws)
I only saw 2 drops in the last game. What was the real number?
Posted on 10/1/10 at 5:01 pm to Powerman
Randy Moss has more drops in 3 games than RS does in 4. Does that mean Randy Moss doesnt have talent even though he leads the NFL in drops?
Wes Welker has 3 drops in 3 games. Guess he sucks too. Maybe...Just Maybe.... Dropped passes are apart of the game.
throw the ball more than 16 times a game and they dont become obvious.
Wes Welker has 3 drops in 3 games. Guess he sucks too. Maybe...Just Maybe.... Dropped passes are apart of the game.
throw the ball more than 16 times a game and they dont become obvious.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 5:08 pm to ryanlsu
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all three end up playing in the NFL
Posted on 10/1/10 at 5:09 pm to Powerman
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But people act like we have an assortment of first day draft picks playing wide out for us. We have one first day guy and a couple of undrafted free agents at best.
if you don't think Tolliver is going in the first 2 rounds
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