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24-23 But Who Did He Beat?

Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:12 pm
Posted by DamnStrong1860
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:12 pm
There are those who see Coach Miles' 25-23 fourth quarter record and say, “Les’ teams don’t quit.” On the other hand, there are those who look at the same record and say, “Les’ teams play down to their competition; we should never have been down in those games in the first place.”

Lets see if the nega-Tigers are right. Below is a list of Les’ fourth quarter comebacks year by year. Included are the opponents rank and LSU’s rank at the time of the game.


2005

#15 Arizona State #5LSU
#11 Florida #8 LSU
#15 Auburn #7 LSU
#3 Alabama #5 LSU

2006
#8 Tenn #13 LSU
UR Ole Miss #9 LSU

2007
#9 Florida #1LSU
#17 Auburn #4LSU
#17 Alabama #3LSU
#14 Tennessee #7LSU

2008
UR Troy #19LSU
#10 Auburn #6 LSU
UR South Carolina #13 LSU (was actually tied going into the Fourth Quarter)***

2009
#14 Georgia #4LSU
UR Arkansas #17LSU

2010
UR Tennessee #12 LSU
#14 Florida #12 LSU
#5 Alabama #12 LSU
UR Ole Miss #5 LSU

2011
#2 Alabama #1LSU


2012
UR Ole Miss #8LSU

2013
UR Arkansas #15 LSU

2014
#14 Wisconsin #13 LSU
UR Florida UR LSU
#3 Ole Miss #24 LSU

Notes:

16 of the 24 were against ranked opponents.

15 of the 24 were against “Big Six” SEC opponents.

1 of the 24 was against a non power 5 team.

8 of the 24 were against unranked opponents. BUT only 7 times did a ranked LSU team have to come back against an unranked opponent (in the 2014 UF game both LSU and UF were unranked). 3 of the instances where LSU had to come back against an unranked opponent were in 2008 and 2009 which were years where LSU arguably shouldn't have been ranked either. 5 of the instances where LSU had to come back against an un ranked opponent were against Ole Miss and Arkansas who both seem to always play LSU tough no matter what the rankings say.

11 of the 24 were away from Tiger Stadium (Thanks. Mastr Shake).

4 of the 24 were actually upset victories against top 10 teams.

Another nega-Tiger myth busted?


Someone asked about Saban's record in these situations so here's how he's done since '07:

2007
UR BAMA #16 Arkansas W
#16 BAMA #22 UGA L
#22 BAMA UR FSU L
UR BAMA UR OM W
#17 BAMA # 3 LSU L
#21 BAMA UR Miss. State L
UR BAMA UR ULM L
UR BAMA 25 AU L

2008
#1 BAMA #2 UF L
#4 BAMA #7 UTAH L

2009
#3 BAMA #9 LSU W
#2 BAMA UR Auburn W

2010
#1 BAMA #19 SC L
#5 BAMA #10 LSU L
#9 BAMA #2 Auburn L
1 BAMA 10 Arkansas W

2011 – N/A. Note despite losing in OT, BAMA never trailed LSU in the fourth.

2012
#1 BAMA #5 LSU W
#1 BAMA #15 A&M L
#2 BAMA #3 UGA W

2013
1 BAMA 4 Auburn L
3 BAMA 11 Oklahoma L

2014
#3 BAMA #11 OM L
#7 BAMA UR Arkansas W

Notes:

8-15 record total.
5 of the 8 were against ranked opponents.
4 of the 8 were against “Big Six” SEC opponents.
0 of the 8 were against a non Power 5 team but there is one loss (ULM 2007) against a non Power 5 team.
3 of the 8 were against unranked teams. 2 of those three were against Ole Miss and Arkansas.
0 were an upset victory over a top ten team but 1 was an upset over a top 16 team.


EDT: Edited to change record from 25-23 to 24-23. The post always reflected that LSU and SC were tied going into the fourth quarter in the 2010 game referenced above. That was the 25th game. Also edited to note away record.

EDT: Edited to add Saban's record.

This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 3:28 pm
Posted by rmnldr
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:13 pm to
Upvote I think
Posted by Mr. Hangover
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:14 pm to
Awesome thread... Good info
Posted by DamnStrong1860
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:16 pm to
quote:

Upvote I think


Thanks. Went with a provocative title to draw in the negas.
Posted by c on z
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:17 pm to
I'm the 6th upvote
Posted by TriumphTiger
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:19 pm to
Isn't Miles at 24-23?

Regardless - good info!
Posted by windhammontanatigers
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:24 pm to
Another Nega Tiger or Nega Miles myth busted.
Posted by DamnStrong1860
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:24 pm to
quote:

Isn't Miles at 24-23?


Theres a game against SC where we were tied going into the fourth. I threw that one in.
This post was edited on 10/26/14 at 8:01 pm
Posted by No8Easy2
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:26 pm to
nice research, thanks for putting it together
Posted by Lmeye15
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:31 pm to
GREAT information. Upvote

Posted by aremore
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:31 pm to
O.K., that's it. How downright sneaky of you to use facts. Is there no peace for the ignorant and prejudiced among us? .............great job!!!
Posted by LSU Tigerhead
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:40 pm to
Not sure if your numbers are correct.

LSU's record is 24-23 in "come from behind in fourth quarter wins," not Les Miles' record.

I'm curious to see what part of this is Les Miles' record, but it can't be 25-23 since that's more than LSU's overall total in come from behind fourth quarter wins.
Posted by DamnStrong1860
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:44 pm to
quote:

LSU's record is 24-23 in "come from behind in fourth quarter wins," not Les Miles' record.

I'm curious to see what part of this is Les Miles' record, but it can't be 25-23 since that's more than LSU's overall total in come from behind fourth quarter wins.



Its LSU's record from '05 to last night which seems to cover Miles' tenure.

We were tied with SC going into the Fourth in 2010 so added that one as well. If anything, it supports the nega-tiger argument since they were unranked at the time.
Posted by JonJon1906
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:47 pm to
Posted by jefforize
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 7:17 pm to
Good post
This post was edited on 10/26/14 at 7:18 pm
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 7:20 pm to
Nice job. Title had me worried to be honest
Posted by Captain Lafitte
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 7:30 pm to
Excellent! Thanks for the info. 34th upvote.
Posted by DamnStrong1860
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 7:31 pm to
Thought it would get attention.
Posted by LSU Tigerhead
Metairie
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 8:34 pm to
I was mistaken in thinking that this was LSU's record, not Les Miles' record. It is, indeed, Les Miles' record.

Curiosity got the best of me so I took your work and went a step further. I looked at the box scores to check.

The first score is LSU-Opp score start of 4th quarter, followed by the go-ahead score and time remaining in the game when the go-ahead score happened. If we were leading going into the 4th quarter, I listed the score (and time) when the opponent took the lead.


2005
#15 Arizona State #5 LSU, 7-17 => 35-31, 1:13 remaining.
#11 Florida #8 LSU, 14-17 => 21-17, 12:35 remaining
#15 Auburn #7 LSU, 14-10 => 17-17, 1:40 remaining, won in OT, 20-17
#3 Alabama #5 LSU, 10-10 (tied throughout 4th), 16-13 OT. (Not a come from behind 4th quarter win).

2006
#8 Tenn #13 LSU, 21-24 => 28-24, 0:09 remaining.
UR Ole Miss #9 LSU, 7-20 => 20-20, 0:14 remaining (PAT blocked), 23-20 OT.

2007
#9 Florida #1 LSU, 14-24 => 28-24, 1:09 remaining.
#17 Auburn #4 LSU, 13-17 => 30-24, 0:01 remaining.
#17 Alabama #3 LSU, 24-27 => 41-34, 1:26 remaining.
#14 Tennessee #7 LSU, 13-14 => 21-14, 9:54 remaining.

2008
UR Troy #19 LSU, 3-31 => 33-31, 4:50 remaining (40-31 final).
#10 Auburn #6 LSU, 17-14 => 20-21 (6:40) => 26-21, 1:03 remaining.
UR South Carolina #13 LSU, 17-17 => 24-17, 4:16 remaining. (Not a come from behind 4th quarter win.)

2009
#14 Georgia #4 LSU, 6-0 => 6-7 (14:45) => 20-13, 0:46 remaining.
UR Arkansas #17 LSU, 24-20 => 27-30 (11:34) => 30-30 (1:08) => 33-30 OT.

2010
UR Tennessee #12 LSU, 7-7 => 10-14 (11:34) => 16-14, 0:00 remaining.
#14 Florida #12 LSU, 20-14 => 26-29 (3:21) => 33-29, 0:06 remaining.
#5 Alabama #12 LSU, 10-14 => 21-14, 8:13 remaining (24-21 final).
UR Ole Miss #5 LSU, 23-24 => 43-36, 0:44 remaining.

2011
#2 Alabama #1 LSU, 3-6 => 6-6 (14:13), 9-6 OT.

2012
UR Ole Miss #8 LSU, 20-21 => 41-35, 0:15 remaining.

2013
UR Arkansas #15 LSU, 21-27 => 31-27, 1:15 remaining.

2014
#14 Wisconsin #13 LSU, 13-21 => 28-24, 9:41 remaining.
UR Florida UR LSU, 17-20 => 30-27, 0:03 remaining.
#3 Ole Miss #24 LSU, 3-7 => 10-7, 5:07 remaining.


That accounts for 23 fourth quarter come from behind wins. It's really amazing to note that 16 of those 23 wins came with less than 2 minutes on the clock (one tied in regulation, won in OT).

ESPN has us at 24-23. Not sure where the 24th one is according to them. Another website has it at 23 wins.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
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Posted on 10/26/14 at 8:39 pm to
Too much data. Overload. Try again.
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