re: 1908 National Champions

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I don't know of anyone who claims as Sagarin Rating title as a legit title. I'm not saying no one does, but I can't think of anyone who does.

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I may be assuming things.

in short I'm not sure that it was recognized by the college governing body yet. It was definately violent.



College football increased in popularity through the remainder of the 19th century. It also became increasingly violent. Between 1890 and 1905, 330 college athletes died as a direct result of injuries sustained on the football field. These deaths could be attributed to the mass formations and gang tackling that characterized the sport in its early years. In 1906, President Theodore Roosevelt organized a meeting among thirteen school leaders at the White House to find solutions to make the sport safer for the athletes. Because the college officials could not agree upon a change in rules, it was decided over the course of several subsequent meetings that an external governing body should be responsible. Resulting from this conference was the formation of the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States in 1906. The IAAUS was the original rule making body of college football, but would go on to sponsor championships in other sports. The IAAUS would get its current name of National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), in 1910 which still sets rules governing the sport.[8] The rules committee considered widening the playing field to "open up" the game, but Harvard Stadium (the first large permanent football stadium) had recently been built at great expense; it would be rendered useless by a wider field. The rules committee legalized the forward pass instead. The first legal pass was thrown by Bradbury Robinson on September 5, 1906, playing for coach Eddie Cochems, who developed an early but sophisticated passing offense at Saint Louis University. Another rule change banned "mass momentum" plays (many of which, like the infamous "flying wedge", were sometimes literally deadly).

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OP you really need to edit your first post unless you want to keep getting history lessons.

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Haha, nah. It's better this way. The people who only like the sound of their own voice keep outing themselves

nvasil1

In his article he doesn't do a very good job on the breakdown. When you look postion by position then you see where the talent is or isn't.

Also there is a key team to look at to look to see at what level all the teams are playing at:

Haskell Indian School (nations)

Football back then is very different than today, and one can look at common scores to get a good idea of where teams stood in that era.


Jim Thrope played on the 1907 and 08 Carlisle teams, then played Pro Baseball 2 years in the Caroline League before heading back to Carlisle to play the 1911-12 seasons.

Also Pop paid his players up until the 1909 season right at 10.50 a game. Then he used a credit line systems to give players money from the store on campus. Needless to say Jim had a large credit line at the time.

Jim was a ture pro in every season and in every way for those times. But do not think Pop is the only one doing this, other schools had other ways to get money to the players.

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Maybe someone should contact the school?

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This is the only real answer. One of LSU's 37 or so associate AD's is usually pretty good about responding to e-mails. Why not simply pose this question directly to the university and get their answer?

I'd assume they have consciously made the decision, at least to this point, to not recognize it...ask them why.

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No AP championship has ever been vacated.

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Correct, the AP has allowed teams on probation in its poll & voted them as nat'l champs.

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I'm fine not being like Bama


Sounds like that's the basis for not wanting to claim it, which is childish.

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I actually think you're getting caught up on Bama. Yes we like to harp on them bu they are just the prime example of claiming titles that may or may not have legitimacy. You're right about the 1908 title. It is pretty cut and dry. What I'm getting from the rhetoric in here is that you have to accept the major selection system all or none. You can't say it worked great one year and it didn't the next. Otherwise you get a USC 2003-2004 type of situation. 2003 was bullshite to them but the system "got it right" the next year.

I believe we should claim it bc it is listed on the NCAA website LINK

It is funny how we claim a title in basketball from 1935 but not this football title

Claiming a title over a century later is very Bama esq. "What does Bama have to do with this?" Well never claiming a title in over a century and all of a sudden saying we have 4 titles is exactly what they would do. As an LSU fan I like to believe we are better than using Bama magicians and having national titles magically appear on our total.

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There's only one BS Title Bama claims and that's 1941

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bullshite, I was in Tulane Stadium New Years Eve in 1973 and saw #1 Bama LOSE to #2 Notre Dame, 24-23, yet because UPI didn't do a poll after Bowl Games, Bama claims it.
THIS is a BS NC.