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What is the process that recruits/players are paid?

Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:13 am
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:13 am
In years past, it was a"bag man" giving them a few thousand here and there. Maybe a no-show job. Maybe give the family or handler some money.

Now there are reports of top players getting 5- and 6-figure payouts. With the way our banking system is policed, I am curious how this is handled. Seems the IRS and the Feds would be all over this.

You can't just give someone $300,000 without leaving a massive paper trail.

So I assume they have developed some system where this is done semi-legally, or the money is put in a trust or something.

Anyone know the mechanics of how this process is played out?
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 9:14 am
Posted by catfish 62
Atlanta
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:15 am to
It was popular to funnel the money in the form of a “donation” to the local church most recently.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26752 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:17 am to
Yea, that's a good one. Seems lawyers could process it in the form of "settlements" as well.
Posted by bayou85
Concordia
Member since Sep 2016
8622 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:18 am to
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So I assume they have developed some system where this is done semi-legally, or the money is put in a trust or something.


The car thing.

THey sign a financial deal with the dealership and put $1 down. Then they agree to pay it off when they are drafted/graduate. They are banking on the player getting drafted.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
50767 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:20 am to
Clemson has a church. LSU used a hospital but got sloppy. All about those taxes man.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:24 am to
If a bunch of dickheads on a message board knew how they paid recruits then the ncaa would be able to figure it out too.

Loose lips sink ships.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30214 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:26 am to
College football will be the one to end cash. Politicians want their cut.
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:26 am to
Not sure but if had to guess it would probably be through corporate sponsors like Nike , adidas in exchange for brand advertisement from university. It is more than likely proportional to the tv market share the university possess. That is at least what the basketball FBI probe seemed to determine and I would guess football does a similar thing.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26752 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:27 am to
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If a bunch of dickheads on a message board knew how they paid recruits then the ncaa would be able to figure it out too.

Loose lips sink ships.


You really think it's not known?

And I'm not talking about the NCAA. They have no subpoena power. I'm talking about the IRS and the FBI.

quote:

Bert Macklin FBI


Oh, hello.

Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:32 am to
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You really think it's not known?


Yes. Just like any fraud scheme, if it is common knowledge then it won’t last long.
Posted by ShreveportTiger1987
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:32 am to
Quit tryna snitch bruh.. shhh.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26752 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:32 am to

Has anyone ever heard of a single college athlete being investigated for tax evasion? Ever?

If the kind of money being thrown around that you hear about is accurate, this surprises me.

Big Booster #1 wants to give Big Athlete #1 $200,000. How does he do it, without causing taxation, money laundering and other issues?

I'm leaning towards these big dollar figures being false, or at least not as widespread as believed.
Posted by Eyebesmacinhose
Enterprise, Louisiana
Member since Apr 2017
1724 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:37 am to
As usual, y’all are over-complicating things. It ain’t nuttin but Bitcoin
Posted by ShreveportTiger1987
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2014
5494 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:38 am to
I do believe for the top 5-15 kids in the nation that if they want to get paid, someone will write a 6 figure check. I mean these huge $ donors, they're investing their $ with expectation of some type of return. Whether we suites, tickets... I dont know. I just believe some kids/parents/fat arse barbers "promise" a commitment for $$. Some kids probably get paid by several schools..and so what, who's gonna snitch on themselves and lose that cash.


Edit. Or as above poster said. Crypto currency. Pretty easy to not trace on the black market/Crypto programs if I remember correctly.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 9:41 am
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:39 am to
Casino chips tossed into the backyard.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26752 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:44 am to
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I do believe for the top 5-15 kids in the nation that if they want to get paid, someone will write a 6 figure check


OK, but this is not that easy. There are tax implications. You give someone $200,000 and now they have a $50,000+ tax bill due. (And these are often unsophisticated people. This could cause all kinds of problems)

Give it to them in cash? Now you are a party to money laundering. I doubt successful businessmen are interested in putting themselves into a federal criminal conspiracy. (Not to mention all of the other problems large sums of cash cause)
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26752 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:46 am to
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Edit. Or as above poster said. Crypto currency. Pretty easy to not trace on the black market/Crypto programs if I remember correctly.


OK. I'll buy that in some instances. But you are dealing with a lot of unsophisticated people, so I doubt crypto is the go-to move.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
5344 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:44 am to
people joke about casino chips but I saw Brandon Harris at the casino pretty much any time I went and every time he would be playing with $500 chips.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26752 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:48 am to
Casinos are a known money laundering method. I'm sure that is a common way to give players some money here and there. I doubt that is the vehicle to give them 6-figures.

An easy way to do it would be legal settlements. My business could write a check to a friendly lawyer for an injury claim. Lawyer writes check to player for legal settlement. And injury settlements are generally not taxable. I would get a tax deduction as a business expense.

Not sure how many lawyer's would want to be involved in that, as I'm sure disbarment would occur if caught.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 10:52 am
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12896 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:54 am to
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It was popular to funnel the money in the form of a “donation” to the local church most recently.
this was always popular. Seems to be more common now. Churchs face less regulation as a 503c than other 503c's.

Bjorn is right, no-show jobs were best once upon a time. Still happen, but on small scales. NCAA watches these like a hawk (to the best of their enforcement ability) now. The enforcement is they created a pretty sound paperwork trail for a student athlete (especially if not on a scholarship) with means the money is no longer laundered or hidden. This was Nebraska's famous PWO program mechanism.

A popular method now is 0% interest loans, or forgiven loans, or assumed loans. It has a massive paper trail. And it is highly regulated industry. But, that's the beauty of it- if it is technically legal the NCAA doesn't have a lot of rules directly related to it. The legality hoops to jump through, NCAA related, is that you can't offer anything to a student athlete that a student (only) isn't offered. That is, paraphrasing, one definition of "impermissible benefit".

Again, that's one of the beautiful things about this method. There's so many industry regulations and "metrics" you can offer to just about anybody and find a reason to deny the regular student and not the student-athlete. For example, 5* student athlete is able to get a 0% interest, 3yr. deferred payments, "loan" for a Dodge Charger based on "earnings potential". When he's no longer a student-athlete and has entered the draft the loan is either forgiven, or more likely, defaulted and written off with no collections, or assumed by the agent and paid off.
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