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re: What in the hell is Jimbo Fisher selling these kids to get them to commit
Posted on 1/25/12 at 4:26 pm to Lee Chatelain
Posted on 1/25/12 at 4:26 pm to Lee Chatelain
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So Miles did this or their position coaches?
Does that even matter. At any school you are going to spend more time with your positions coach. If you need the head coach to be your personal tutor the head coach is not going to have enouph time to do his job.
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Posted on 1/25/12 at 5:03 pm to Gravitiger
quote:Yeah you're right, forgot about that season, but 3 out 4 seasons at 7-6 is not good.
Bobby went 9-4 and won the division two years before he "retired."
Posted on 1/25/12 at 5:05 pm to SBC
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No offense, but Florida is a cooler state than Louisiana.
Yes, because Gainesville and Tallahassee are hidden gems akin to Destin and Miami. GTFO dude.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 5:36 pm to Adam Banks
quote:I feel you on elite coaches. The talent that you keep talking about that Jimbo walked into was not all that. Those top classes had a lot of at risk kids and they either didn't make it on campus or flunked out before they could hit the field. Add a lot of poor coaching and under developed kids by our lack of a functional S&C nutrition program with a Defense learning a new D in 2010. I did see improvement with some of Bobby's recruits that bought into Jimbo's program. I can agree with you that he may not be an elite coach right now, but I'll settle for a good coach going into his 3rd full season.
JMO elite coaches who walked into situations with talent and no coaching turned it around on the spot in more competitive conferences-Bob Stoops went undefeated and won NC in his second year, in his second year at each program Nick Saban at LSU won the SEC, and at bama he went 12-0 in the regular season and the next year won an NC, Urban Meyer second year was a 1 loss NC, Jim Tressell went undefeated with an NC in his 2nd year. The elite guys have been able to win on the spot when the previous guy had brought in talent but didnt develop it. I wont write Jimbo off just yet but IMO, as an outsider, in the ACC he should be doing better with the talent he walked into.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 5:54 pm to TigerRagAndrew
"Jimbo Fisher worked for me, and the year after he left we won the BCSCG with Gary Crowton as offensive coordinator."
Les Miles has more ammunition.
Les Miles has more ammunition.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 6:42 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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he already has a monster class and is still likely to sign three or four more top rated recruits. I believe he had a monster class last year as well.
1. Kids being recruited this year grew up watching fsu kick arse year after year after year.
2. The weather is badass all year and you are not far from gorgeous beaches.
3. You can go to a school that has great facilities.
4. Hot women are everywhere and did I mention they are hot?
5. As a player you have the opportunity to get playing time really soon which I think is one of the main draws so far.
6. If a booster referred to as "the cracker" is still around the program, they will be paid very well throughout their career there. Obviously no link, but I saw it with my own eyes when Dunn and Ward were there.
This post was edited on 1/25/12 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:34 pm to NoleBama
I'll provide an example of the poor coaching these kids were receiving in Bowden's latter years, one that many on this board may be familliar with. When Patrick Robinson, a 1st round draft choice, first came to the Saints,the DC Greg Williams said after the first week(paraphrased), " The kid Robinson has a lot of skills but he doesn't know how to play football", a not so veiled swipe at the coaching he had received in college. Fortunately, Robinson does have a lot of skills and has developed into a solid NFL corner. The coaching (teaching) has significantly improved under Fisher and his staff. So let Fisher have 3 years before you really judge him as a coach.
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What in the hell is Jimbo Fisher selling these kids to get them to commit
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JMO elite coaches who walked into situations with talent and no coaching turned it around on the spot in more competitive conferences-Bob Stoops went undefeated and won NC in his second year, in his second year at each program Nick Saban at LSU won the SEC, and at bama he went 12-0 in the regular season and the next year won an NC, Urban Meyer second year was a 1 loss NC, Jim Tressell went undefeated with an NC in his 2nd year. The elite guys have been able to win on the spot when the previous guy had brought in talent but didnt develop it. I wont write Jimbo off just yet but IMO, as an outsider, in the ACC he should be doing better with the talent he walked into.
I feel you on elite coaches. The talent that you keep talking about that Jimbo walked into was not all that. Those top classes had a lot of at risk kids and they either didn't make it on campus or flunked out before they could hit the field. Add a lot of poor coaching and under developed kids by our lack of a functional S&C nutrition program with a Defense learning a new D in 2010. I did see improvement with some of Bobby's recruits that bought into Jimbo's program. I can agree with you that he may not be an elite coach right now, but I'll settle for a good coach going into his 3rd full season.
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What in the hell is Jimbo Fisher selling these kids to get them to commit
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:37 pm to JOHNN
quote:Every school offers this, you didn't have to list this as an advantage for FSU...lol
6. If a booster referred to as the cracker is atill around the program, they will be paid very well throughout their career there. Obviously no link, but I saw it with my own eyes when Dunn and Ward were there.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 9:20 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
"We're god-awful. You'll start right away."
Posted on 1/25/12 at 9:49 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
All of their dads played for FSU. LOL 
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