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The State of Out of State Recruiting?
Posted on 1/20/12 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 1/20/12 at 1:34 pm
I don't have hard and fast numbers, but it's pretty clear that at least vs some SEC schools (Bama, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee) we don't have as big of a OOS program. Ditto for FSU and Oklahoma, and in future years, Ohio State.
I think it's pretty clear that no one school can throw a "fence" around a particular area. Not USC, not Bama, and not Michigan. Those days are over with modern technology like Twitter, Skype, Facebook and cellphones. Plus school airplanes. Being "far away" just doesn't exist anymore (well, except if your first name is Gunner)
These resources can make any kid anywhere accessible to any school. So that being said, why isn't LSU going after a higher number of 5 stars, both regionally and nationwide. And this goes back to Saban, if not before so don't blame it all on Miles. LSU simply has never had a lot of OOS players.
We have some, but not to the level of other schools. I think this year is a wakeup call with both LC and DD going OOS themselves, and last year a few went as well. My take is we should be on top of LA recruits because many of them have always dreamed of playing for LSU.
Those days are ending. Programs are becoming brands, both pro and on the college level. Kids from LA wear Oregon gear, mainly because they can buy it as easily as LSU gear. When a kid runs around in Bama (or the U) gear other kids see him, and things take root.
LA is a recruiting hotbed and we're desperately trying to keep out the intruders. Even if we wanted to, we can't take all LA players. We need OOS player who can fit in a specific class and in a specific position. I think we spend so much time defending our turf that maybe we are not paying as much attention to OOS players who may want to come here.
Frank Wilson recruits the region as well as anyone, but he can't beat everyone back if it's a big talent year. If we don't already, we need a outside of region master recruiter. Despite Jan 9, we ARE a BRANDED NATIONAL PROGRAM right now and everyone in the USA knows LSU. So let's get on with it!
I think it's pretty clear that no one school can throw a "fence" around a particular area. Not USC, not Bama, and not Michigan. Those days are over with modern technology like Twitter, Skype, Facebook and cellphones. Plus school airplanes. Being "far away" just doesn't exist anymore (well, except if your first name is Gunner)
These resources can make any kid anywhere accessible to any school. So that being said, why isn't LSU going after a higher number of 5 stars, both regionally and nationwide. And this goes back to Saban, if not before so don't blame it all on Miles. LSU simply has never had a lot of OOS players.
We have some, but not to the level of other schools. I think this year is a wakeup call with both LC and DD going OOS themselves, and last year a few went as well. My take is we should be on top of LA recruits because many of them have always dreamed of playing for LSU.
Those days are ending. Programs are becoming brands, both pro and on the college level. Kids from LA wear Oregon gear, mainly because they can buy it as easily as LSU gear. When a kid runs around in Bama (or the U) gear other kids see him, and things take root.
LA is a recruiting hotbed and we're desperately trying to keep out the intruders. Even if we wanted to, we can't take all LA players. We need OOS player who can fit in a specific class and in a specific position. I think we spend so much time defending our turf that maybe we are not paying as much attention to OOS players who may want to come here.
Frank Wilson recruits the region as well as anyone, but he can't beat everyone back if it's a big talent year. If we don't already, we need a outside of region master recruiter. Despite Jan 9, we ARE a BRANDED NATIONAL PROGRAM right now and everyone in the USA knows LSU. So let's get on with it!
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Posted on 1/20/12 at 1:38 pm to MetTiger
i actually think that OOS recruiting has gotten harder with the advancement in technology.
More teams are on TV now, and its easier to get noticed while staying closer to home.
Gone are the days when Nebraska had 70 OOS kids on their roster.
More teams are on TV now, and its easier to get noticed while staying closer to home.
Gone are the days when Nebraska had 70 OOS kids on their roster.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 1:39 pm to MetTiger
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MetTiger
You are stupid. End thread. Someone list LSU oos pulls for this idiot because I won't. The rant is in full force over here.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 1:44 pm to AcetylCoA
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Someone list LSU oos pulls
I SAID we have some, geez. But how many from West of Texas, Pac Northwest, Cali, north of Tennessee, Midwest. I would love to see that list. We can't survive competing solely where where strongest teams are... IN THE SEC...
Posted on 1/20/12 at 1:49 pm to MetTiger
All LSU needs to focus on is LA. & east texas and we would be set but we havent focused on east texas since porter left 
Posted on 1/20/12 at 1:55 pm to MetTiger
we can talk about not recruiting out of state, but if you look at the probable starting lineup for next year it is littered with oos talent
Shepperd - TX
Hurst - TN
Wiliford (if he starts at OG) - AL
Ware - OH
Mett - GA
Montgomery - SC
Minter - GA
Loston - TX
Could be more/less depending on how camp works out the depth chart, but if you look at key players not starting, you will have Ferguson(Md), Copecland(Ga), Hairston(Tx), both the 2nd and 3rd QB will be OOS plus any OOS freshmen we get this year. Based on what our roster looks like, I think we are on par with other big programs. The thing about the others is LSU gets the lion's share of LA talent. Bama splits with Auburn, Florida shares with Miami and FSU, Ohio State and Tennessee are forced to move OOS becasue the talent isn't as plentiful in those states as it is in the other SEC states.
My opinion (for what its worth) is that we are in fine shape locking down the state the best we can and targeting good OOS talent that is willing to commit and come to BR. Location is a massive recruiting tool and many 18 year old players don't want to travel too far away. LSU is lucky to be sitting in fertile football territory.
Shepperd - TX
Hurst - TN
Wiliford (if he starts at OG) - AL
Ware - OH
Mett - GA
Montgomery - SC
Minter - GA
Loston - TX
Could be more/less depending on how camp works out the depth chart, but if you look at key players not starting, you will have Ferguson(Md), Copecland(Ga), Hairston(Tx), both the 2nd and 3rd QB will be OOS plus any OOS freshmen we get this year. Based on what our roster looks like, I think we are on par with other big programs. The thing about the others is LSU gets the lion's share of LA talent. Bama splits with Auburn, Florida shares with Miami and FSU, Ohio State and Tennessee are forced to move OOS becasue the talent isn't as plentiful in those states as it is in the other SEC states.
My opinion (for what its worth) is that we are in fine shape locking down the state the best we can and targeting good OOS talent that is willing to commit and come to BR. Location is a massive recruiting tool and many 18 year old players don't want to travel too far away. LSU is lucky to be sitting in fertile football territory.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 2:07 pm to stho381
All very good points. I probably should have said, Out of Region recruiting. However, your list shows everyone being from the region.
At first with Barksdale (Detroit) and Ware (Cincy), I thought we had something going there in the Midwest, but that seems to have stopped. I'd also like us to try to at least put a foot in the door in the Mid-Atlantic region (VA,MD,PA,NJ) for some 5 stars. Also a Cali player every now and then, at least just get them in for a visit.
You are totally correct, we are fertile, but have lost 4 impact players - top players - in the past two years, all to Alabama schools. If we can't defend that, then we just need to go elsewhere for 5 stars.
Thanks for the list BTW
At first with Barksdale (Detroit) and Ware (Cincy), I thought we had something going there in the Midwest, but that seems to have stopped. I'd also like us to try to at least put a foot in the door in the Mid-Atlantic region (VA,MD,PA,NJ) for some 5 stars. Also a Cali player every now and then, at least just get them in for a visit.
You are totally correct, we are fertile, but have lost 4 impact players - top players - in the past two years, all to Alabama schools. If we can't defend that, then we just need to go elsewhere for 5 stars.
Thanks for the list BTW
Posted on 1/20/12 at 2:07 pm to MetTiger
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But how many from West of Texas, Pac Northwest, Cali, north of Tennessee, Midwest. I would love to see that list. We can't survive competing solely where where strongest teams are... IN THE SEC...
WHY would LSU want to waste recruiting $ on the West Coast and MidWest??? You take care of La and stay in the S'East and they are fine.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 2:14 pm to MetTiger
It's also a double edged sword deal, because we've lost commits from out of the region because of the distance. Gunnier Kiel, Lavelle Hawkins, Cassius Marsh I believe, etc...
Posted on 1/20/12 at 2:17 pm to lsusteve1
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You take care of La and stay in the S'East and they are fine.
I fully agree with that quote, but that hasn't been happening lately as well as it used to.
Also, if anyone hasn't noticed, with all the changes in Conferences (WV in Big 12?), CFB is becoming a mini-NFL. There will only be about 15 programs who will be able to win the National Championship year in and year out. Luckily LSU is one of them.
I believe in 5 years, that any program that doesn't recruit nationally will have zero chance at the national title. And going down to 80 scholarships? You will need to stockpile as many 5 and 4 stars as possible, wherever they live.
I may be wrong, I like having LA players, but solely relying on the "fence" is a business plan of the past.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 2:26 pm to NOSA
I will just say there is a reason why all the big programs are heading to our backyard to recruit and not focusing primarily in their own backyard.
Think about it. Florida, LSU, Bama, Aub winning 7 NC in the past decade. Probably 75-80% of their rosters are full of in-state recruits. Why focus on the areas where there is less talent, therefore more competition for said talent, when you can recruit homegrown talent early on. Unless the player is extraordinary, I say stay between Texas and Florida and south of Tennessee. Football is played year round becasue there is no winter and it produces better talent. The rest of the nation is just catching on and trying to raid our pantry.
Think about it. Florida, LSU, Bama, Aub winning 7 NC in the past decade. Probably 75-80% of their rosters are full of in-state recruits. Why focus on the areas where there is less talent, therefore more competition for said talent, when you can recruit homegrown talent early on. Unless the player is extraordinary, I say stay between Texas and Florida and south of Tennessee. Football is played year round becasue there is no winter and it produces better talent. The rest of the nation is just catching on and trying to raid our pantry.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 2:32 pm to MetTiger
Bottom line is there is a higher percentage of kids who play their college ball regionally. Not necessarily in their home town but within a days driving distance. One of the reasons is parents have the ability to periodically watch a game in person and the kids have the ability to drive home for holidays.
Thus your sweet spot is within a 8 hour drive not cross country.
Thus your sweet spot is within a 8 hour drive not cross country.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 2:45 pm to stho381
I, personally, think that our current recruiting philosophy, if executed properly, really is our best bet.
Per Capita, Louisiana and Miss produce the most NFL talent. On a yearly basis, we can't even keep all the talent in LA. Also, Louisiana players take a lot of pride in playing for LSU. I'm not saying that players from elsewhere don't, but many of our hard-working overperforming diamonds ( Claiborne, Hester, etc ) are from Louisiana.
If we can take 70%-80% of the top 20 talent from Louisiana, and supplement that with a few stars from East Texas, Georgia, Miss, Bama, and Florida, and maybe a few from elsewhere, then we will be fine.
I don't think it makes sense to waste a lot of time and money focusing too much on other region recruits....UNLESS they show a definite interest in LSU.
The only place that I wish we would attack a little bit harder is Mississippi. Ole Miss and Miss State manage to pull in a few BEASTLY players each year that could be major difference makers on an LSU team, but somehow seem content to play on losing teams for 3-4 years before they go pro. LSU should be pulling more of them.
Per Capita, Louisiana and Miss produce the most NFL talent. On a yearly basis, we can't even keep all the talent in LA. Also, Louisiana players take a lot of pride in playing for LSU. I'm not saying that players from elsewhere don't, but many of our hard-working overperforming diamonds ( Claiborne, Hester, etc ) are from Louisiana.
If we can take 70%-80% of the top 20 talent from Louisiana, and supplement that with a few stars from East Texas, Georgia, Miss, Bama, and Florida, and maybe a few from elsewhere, then we will be fine.
I don't think it makes sense to waste a lot of time and money focusing too much on other region recruits....UNLESS they show a definite interest in LSU.
The only place that I wish we would attack a little bit harder is Mississippi. Ole Miss and Miss State manage to pull in a few BEASTLY players each year that could be major difference makers on an LSU team, but somehow seem content to play on losing teams for 3-4 years before they go pro. LSU should be pulling more of them.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 2:54 pm to MetTiger
Before last years class were 51-49 oos under miles. I think it had more to do with the hurricane and louisiana being down. Im all for the in state guys and going oos for positions of need if a quality player isnt in LA for that position.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 3:56 pm to lsusteve1
i would guess that each year the staff sits down & decides what they need in each position
then they look @ what we have instate & then decide what positions we have to go out of state for
then contacts are attempted with the best out there, but some 5 stars are not interested in LSU, no matter what. the key is getting a player to attend(at their expense) one of our camps.
but at the same time a kid at camp maybe a 3 star and we see the potential-mathieu, hurst, williford & more on.
i remember the ol prospect that we got from florida that was a parade all american that did not play a down for us, also this year gore & the lb from houston , that did not cut it
stars are set by others, not our coaching staff, their record over the past 5 years has been great, we do not need to change what we have been doing, it has worked & worked well!
then they look @ what we have instate & then decide what positions we have to go out of state for
then contacts are attempted with the best out there, but some 5 stars are not interested in LSU, no matter what. the key is getting a player to attend(at their expense) one of our camps.
but at the same time a kid at camp maybe a 3 star and we see the potential-mathieu, hurst, williford & more on.
i remember the ol prospect that we got from florida that was a parade all american that did not play a down for us, also this year gore & the lb from houston , that did not cut it
stars are set by others, not our coaching staff, their record over the past 5 years has been great, we do not need to change what we have been doing, it has worked & worked well!
Posted on 1/20/12 at 4:56 pm to TIGER62
I understand everything you all are saying, but if everyone is satisfied possibly doing the same old and not getting anyone in the Rivals 100 and no 5 stars because we want to stay in state, fine.
Bama, UF and Auburn seem to get those kids at their camps. I mean, why couldn't we develop a relationship with an Arik Armstead and possibly get two for one. or DGB? He's in SEC territory now....
Bama, UF and Auburn seem to get those kids at their camps. I mean, why couldn't we develop a relationship with an Arik Armstead and possibly get two for one. or DGB? He's in SEC territory now....
Posted on 1/20/12 at 6:29 pm to MetTiger
do you want to win games & national championships or the recruiting title?
Posted on 1/20/12 at 9:03 pm to lsusteve1
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WHY would LSU want to waste recruiting $ on the West Coast and MidWest??? You take care of La and stay in the S'East and they are fine.
As of tonight on Rivals-
UF has 18 commits w/ 9 OOS incl PA and IL
Bama has 27 commits w/ 17 OOS incl AZ, MD, TN, and 8 from GA.
LSU has 20 commits with 5 OOS, incl 2 from GA, and 2 from TX.
There are 14 players listed in the Rivals top 50 that are undecided. We are only on the list of ONE! Sorry, but that is CRAP! We don't have more resources than Purdue or FSU? I think there are a lot of fish getting away without an attempt. Whatever.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 9:08 pm to TIGER62
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do you want to win games & national championships or the recruiting title?
You win games and titles by building through recruiting. No, it is not a guarantee of success, but you need to replenish – especially with Jr's going out early.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 12:18 am to MetTiger
Basically ur just wrong 05-10 51% of players that signed an LOI did not play their sr year of highschool in LA. Last year LA was just stacked.
Now i didnt count walk ons or guys that leave the program early. Strictly by rivals list of guys that signed.
Now i didnt count walk ons or guys that leave the program early. Strictly by rivals list of guys that signed.
This post was edited on 1/21/12 at 12:25 am
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