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re: If my memory is correct. LSU hasn't seen OL recruiting under Kelly this good since Saban.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 11:19 am to DeafVallyBatnR
Posted on 2/13/24 at 11:19 am to DeafVallyBatnR
Les 2011 Line is one of the best in school history. It’ll get overlook because of the lack of players drafted but that was one of the most fundamentally sounds units the program ever had.
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 11:28 am to OJsLifeCoach
Check, and also the 5* leave’s because he KNEW he could not beat out returning 5* though Heards ranking was justified
Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:20 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
Well, we recruited a truly great offensive line that took the field in 2019, but a lot of those guys were not super highly rated. A lot of fans think Burrow made a good line look great. They are wrong. The NFL chops of that line exceed any line in LSU history. Cushenberry and Damien Lewis are solid NFL starters. Saahdiq Charles and Ingram are also starters. Deculus is also on an NFL roster.
Four guys starting in the NFL and another is on an active roster! That was a great offensive line that was considerably better than any Saban offensive line at LSU. If this isn’t enough for you go back and rewatch that 2019 Alabama game. That offensive line mauled Bama’s defense.
Four guys starting in the NFL and another is on an active roster! That was a great offensive line that was considerably better than any Saban offensive line at LSU. If this isn’t enough for you go back and rewatch that 2019 Alabama game. That offensive line mauled Bama’s defense.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:24 pm to The Mick
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Les had solid OL most years.
Solid but not very good. He coached them well, and he got decent results against fair competition. Miles’ lines consistently had guys that the pros didn’t even look at. T-Bob played a lot for us, and he could not have started at Tulane.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 2:04 pm to Jim Hopper
quote:In the game that mattered most, that line sucked arse.
Les 2011 Line is one of the best in school history. It’ll get overlook because of the lack of players drafted but that was one of the most fundamentally sounds units the program ever had.
3 False Start penalties; 2 in the first 3 possessions.
39 total yards rushing for 1.4 ypc
Michael Ford had 4 carries for 1 yard
Spencer Ware had 3 carries for 7 yards
Kenny Hilliard had 5 carries for 16 yards.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 2:50 pm to Codythetiger
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Miles had some good lines
Les recruited a bunch of IOL because he wanted to just run the ball. He also recruited lots of project OL that rarely panned out.
We rarely had elite tackle play other than a local kid like Collins.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 6:41 pm to Penrod
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The NFL chops of that line exceed any line in LSU history. Cushenberry and Damien Lewis are solid NFL starters. Saahdiq Charles and Ingram are also starters. Deculus is also on an NFL roster.
I don’t think you can really include Ingram in that list since he only started 2 games in 2019. Rosenthal and Traore each started more games than Ingram.
Our actual first team was Charles, Magee, Cushenberry, Lewis, and Deculus. However, Charles missed 6 games. Deculus also missed 2 games.
It does highlight one of the strengths of that group though - there was a lot of trial by fire in 2018 between injuries and shuffling guys around to find the right group. We had a lot of depth.
All of that said I do believe the 2019 OL was very good, and I agree that fans generally seem to undervalue them because of the absurd talent we had at skill positions.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 2:31 am to DeafVallyBatnR
Kind of an unfair metric when you consider what Louisiana has produced the past couple of years. It's rare to get a Will Campbell in LA. But it's super rare to get him and Emory at the same time.
We're lucky
We're lucky
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:45 am to DeafVallyBatnR
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this good since Saban.
I don't remember Saban's OL recruiting being that great. Not that it was bad, just not better than what Les did.
Definitely like what we're doing now.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 2:29 pm to lostinbr
quote:True. We had a fourth year future NFL starter on the bench who could not win a starting job. Helluva line!
I don’t think you can really include Ingram in that list since he only started 2 games in 2019. Rosenthal and Traore each started more games than Ingram.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 2:53 pm to The Mick
quote:Not sure what the context of your reply is here, but many teams do what they do well while the opponent knows what they are doing and that's ok.
and opponent knew exactly what was coming...
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:38 pm to Penrod
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True. We had a fourth year future NFL starter on the bench who could not win a starting job. Helluva line!
I liked Magee but I think the fact that Ingram was suspended (not on the team) the entire 2018 season and part of the 2019 season played a pretty big part.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 1:33 pm to ATLTiger
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I don't remember Saban's OL recruiting being that great. Not that it was bad, just not better than what Les did
Saban had one good season, 2001, he signed:
OL Steve Arflin, Jacksonville, Fla. (Fletcher)
OL Jonathan Banks, Baton Rouge, La. (McKinley)
OL Nate Livings, Lake Charles, La. (Washington-Marion)***
OL Rudy Niswanger, Monroe, La. (Quachita Christian)
OL Andrew Whitworth,West Monroe, La. (West Monroe)
OL Ben Wilkerson, Hemphill, Texas (Hemphill)
*** Nate Livings signed in 2000, 2001 and 2002. Made it in for the 2002 class.
Kind of like Chad Lavalais. He signed in 98, 99 and 2000.
I’ve never seen LSU have OL Classes like this ever. But then, Kelly has done a great job building the OL at every stop.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 12:14 pm to The Mick
quote:yes, he did because he ran the football soo much that he needed solid runblocking OLinemen. About the only time his OLines struggled was against you know who - Alabama. Because Saban knew what he wanted to do and would have his front 7 ready to stop LSUs OLine every time. SMH They dominated LSU in the trenches, and Miles' stubborn butt refused to change or make adjustments like he was prone to do. Everyone of us knew he would continue to try to force the run despite Bama stuffing them every time. SMH Dude just had no creative imagination offensively whatsoever, he was just a Neanderthal when it came to offensive creativity. He had 2 1,000 yrd WRs 1 year in OBJ and Landry and still tried to force the damn run.
Les had solid OL most years.
It's a wonder he did as well as he did at LSU in winning 1 title and lasting that long as headcoach.Posted on 2/16/24 at 1:39 pm to tucoco
quote:Saban won about 90% of his games at Alabama. Miles did not do so badly against Bama as people want to believe.
yes, he did because he ran the football soo much that he needed solid runblocking OLinemen. About the only time his OLines struggled was against you know who - Alabama. Because Saban knew what he wanted to do and would have his front 7 ready to stop LSUs OLine every time. SMH They dominated LSU in the trenches, and Miles' stubborn butt refused to change or make adjustments like he was prone to do. Everyone of us knew he would continue to try to force the run despite Bama stuffing them every time. SMH Dude just had no creative imagination offensively whatsoever, he was just a Neanderthal when it came to offensive creativity. He had 2 1,000 yrd WRs 1 year in OBJ and Landry and still tried to force the damn run. It's a wonder he did as well as he did at LSU in winning 1 title and lasting that long as headcoach.
2005 LSU beat Bama
2006 LSU beat Bama
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2008 Bama beat LSU in OT
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2012 Bama beat LSU with a 28-yard pass to Yeldon with 51 seconds remaining.
2013 Bama beat LSU
2014 Bama beat LSU in OT
2015 Bama beat LSU
Posted on 2/16/24 at 2:20 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
Lot of talk about Miles’ lines here but the reason that a) his lines got push and b) play action passed rarely worked is he fielded 5 guards with one who snapped.
Outside of Collins we rarely had decent tackles in that era.
Also, Grimes seemed to take a lot of project players who usually didn't work out.
Outside of Collins we rarely had decent tackles in that era.
Also, Grimes seemed to take a lot of project players who usually didn't work out.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 9:22 pm to HoustonTigerNKaty
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Also, Grimes seemed to take a lot of project players who usually didn't work out.
You might want to put that on Les, OL coaches would find, recruit good OL, Les would override. Les wanted a certain type player, the position Coaches knew what was needed.
A friend of mine signed Jeff Grimes out of high school. Jeff played at UTEP, his OL coach, Andy Reid. Jeffs Offensive Coordinator, Dirk Koetter.
This post was edited on 2/17/24 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 2/17/24 at 10:12 pm to LSUDad
Kelly for 12 years at Notre Dame, he had 7 taken in the first two rounds. 4 drafted in round 1.
Les for his 11 years at LSU had one player taken in the First round, by an OL. Andrew Whitworth.
Les for his 11 years at LSU had one player taken in the First round, by an OL. Andrew Whitworth.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 12:21 am to LSUDad
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Kelly for 12 years at Notre Dame, he had 7 taken in the first two rounds. 4 drafted in round 1.
Les for his 11 years at LSU had one player taken in the First round, by an OL. Andrew Whitworth.
No familiarity with ND so maybe they had similar circumstances, but as an LSU fan you should know this doesn't tell the whole story:
Will Arnold was projected in the 3rd Rd. Career ended by injury.
Ciron was projected as a 1st rounder. Career ended by injury.
Chris Faulk's career cut short by injury. IDK where he would've been drafted had he not been injured but I don't think 2nd rd was unrealistic.
La'el - don't recall what happened with him but he should have been a high pick.
Trai Turner was a 3rd rd pick after playing only 2 seasons.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 12:24 am to HoustonTigerNKaty
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Outside of Collins we rarely had decent tackles in that era.
This is not accurate.
Ciron was great.
Chris Faulk was very good.
Barksdale was no slouch in '10.
Hawkins was very good.
Malone was the only weak LT the entire Miles' era.
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