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Help me understand why NIL recruitment inducements aren’t bribery
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:35 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:35 am
Bribery is a crime in any political, business or formal setting. So how come this hasn’t been brought up with NIL?
Tenn and Virginia's lawsuits are asking for this to be legalized with reference to trying to create fair market value for the athlete. This is the only way for a kid to make money so they are disguising bribery from collectives as the worth created by the athlete.
Wouldn’t private firms then try to recruit players to NFL teams with incentives be classified as bribery? If Amazon offered Joe Burrow $100 million at free agency to come to Seattle we would think it’s crazy.
I understand these kids are not employees (yet), don’t have any revenue sharing and aren’t unionized but still…
Why hasn’t the word bribery been thrown out there in these legal cases or in legislation?
Edit: to be clear I’m talking about before a student enrolls. Not when the student is on campus and gets NIL money.
Tenn and Virginia's lawsuits are asking for this to be legalized with reference to trying to create fair market value for the athlete. This is the only way for a kid to make money so they are disguising bribery from collectives as the worth created by the athlete.
Wouldn’t private firms then try to recruit players to NFL teams with incentives be classified as bribery? If Amazon offered Joe Burrow $100 million at free agency to come to Seattle we would think it’s crazy.
I understand these kids are not employees (yet), don’t have any revenue sharing and aren’t unionized but still…
Why hasn’t the word bribery been thrown out there in these legal cases or in legislation?
Edit: to be clear I’m talking about before a student enrolls. Not when the student is on campus and gets NIL money.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 8:46 am
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Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:38 am to fastlane
There are no rules! But don't break the rules!
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:40 am to fastlane
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Help me understand why business contracts aren’t bribery
FIFY
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:40 am to fastlane
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Bribery is a crime in any business or formal setting
So, if I get an offer from a company. Is that bribery?
You are drawing a false equivalency here.
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Why hasn’t the word bribery been thrown out there in these legal cases or in legislation?
becuase its not
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 8:41 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:40 am to fastlane
Bribery is only an issue if it is illegal.
NIL has been ruled legal by SCOTUS
Applications of it may be outside of NCAA rules, but that’s an NCAA issue, not an illegal action.
It’s not bribery (of an illegal sort)
But I’m no lawyer.
NIL has been ruled legal by SCOTUS
Applications of it may be outside of NCAA rules, but that’s an NCAA issue, not an illegal action.
It’s not bribery (of an illegal sort)
But I’m no lawyer.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:41 am to fastlane
Here is some help; the definition of bribery:
NIL is not bribery.
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Bribery
Illicit act of giving or promising money or gifts that alters the behavior of a person in power; illicit act of a person in power deciding based on money or gift received or promised
NIL is not bribery.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:41 am to civiltiger07
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So, if I get an offer from a company. Is that bribery?
But with NIL you aren’t an employee.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:43 am to fastlane
No one is trying to go to jail over this little football bullshite
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:43 am to doubleb
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Here is some help; the definition of bribery: quote:Bribery Illicit act of giving or promising money or gifts that alters the behavior of a person in power; illicit act of a person in power deciding based on money or gift received or promised NIL is not bribery.
That sounds like NIL if you are inducing a kid to come to school.
I’m not talking about post enrollment
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:43 am to fastlane
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But with NIL you aren’t an employee.
you aren't very smart If you go on multiple interviews out of college is that bribery?
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:44 am to civiltiger07
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you aren't very smart If you go on multiple interviews out of college is that bribery?
That actually makes no sense. Still not an employee of that NIL.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:45 am to fastlane
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I understand these kids are not employees (yet), don’t have any revenue sharing and aren’t unionized but still…
It was reported this week that one university now refers its student athletes as employees now.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:45 am to fastlane
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Still not an employee of that NIL
What does this mean?
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:46 am to gumbeaux
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It was reported this week that one university now refers its student athletes as employees now.
But they can’t be hired, fired or collective bargain. (Yet)
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:47 am to civiltiger07
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So, if I get an offer from a company. Is that bribery? You are drawing a false equivalency here
This is just not at all the same thing
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:52 am to fastlane
See DoubleB's post. NIL is an incentive, it isn't bribery.
Bribery is usually a crime in the context of theft of honest services. Think paying a politician in order to obtain a permit. There is a legal process for obtaining a permit and the bribe subverts it.
Athletes going to college do not owe anyone honest services. They can be bought.
Amazon paying Joe Borrow to go to Seattle wouldn't be an illegal bribe; it would be a violation of the NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement. No one would go to jail over it.
Bribery is usually a crime in the context of theft of honest services. Think paying a politician in order to obtain a permit. There is a legal process for obtaining a permit and the bribe subverts it.
Athletes going to college do not owe anyone honest services. They can be bought.
Amazon paying Joe Borrow to go to Seattle wouldn't be an illegal bribe; it would be a violation of the NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement. No one would go to jail over it.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:52 am to fastlane
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That sounds like NIL if you are inducing a kid to come to school.
Wrong, a recruit isn’t a person in authority, and you aren’t trying to get him to do anything illegal.
Inducements are common and part of every day life.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:57 am to fastlane
Oh yes you are…..when you sign the dotted line on the “fax” and receive money you become an employee. Maybe not on paper, but in every sense of the word you are an employee.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:57 am to bulletprooftiger
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Amazon paying Joe Borrow to go to Seattle wouldn't be an illegal bribe; it would be a violation of the NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement. No one would go to jail over it.
Then they need to be employees and collective bargain
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