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re: Class of 11' take by former pro's....
Posted on 1/29/10 at 12:57 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 1/29/10 at 12:57 pm to dgnx6
The reason i did this was to help everyone on here. Its hard to evaluate a kid on a highlight film. Thats why true scouts are there in person. Ill give you my top 5
With that said, these are guys ive seen in person, film, and television
1) Jordan Allen
Hands down the top prospect. If he bulks up to 290 he can be a hell of a 1tech DT.
2) Eric Reid
He's a tweener in terms of a natural posistion. Has a good sense for the ball.
3) Trovon Reed
The best perimeter player in the state this year. Very raw player. If he adjust to coaching and not rely on pure athleticism he will be a good one
4) James Wright
The best pure receiver in state. Good hands. Personally think he's the second best perimeter player..Great pick up for LSU
5) Tharold Simon
Maybe the best pure Athlete in state. I think at his size and cover skills if he doesnt pan out at WR, then forget DB. This kid can play at 215 and be a Sam Linbacker and make millions one day. He is a perfect matchup agains TE's and can be a valuable asset
Most underated guys
1) Eric Thomas. Second best receiver in state
2) Houston Bates (yes HOuston Bates) Most Versitle player in Louisian.Can project in 3 positions.
3) Taylor Burch. In big games may be top 5. Has the skills to watch for
4) Seth Ancar. If i was a college coach in Louisiana, with one week before signing day. He would be first guy i visit. Maybe the best football player i saw all year
5) Curtis Carter.. Projects to me as best special teams KR/PR in this Louisiana Class
Cant Miss guys ( guys who will have great careers)
1) Ronnie Vinson
2) Tyrann Mathieu
3) Brandon Jackson
4) Jarret Fobbs
5) Elliot Porter
With that said, these are guys ive seen in person, film, and television
1) Jordan Allen
Hands down the top prospect. If he bulks up to 290 he can be a hell of a 1tech DT.
2) Eric Reid
He's a tweener in terms of a natural posistion. Has a good sense for the ball.
3) Trovon Reed
The best perimeter player in the state this year. Very raw player. If he adjust to coaching and not rely on pure athleticism he will be a good one
4) James Wright
The best pure receiver in state. Good hands. Personally think he's the second best perimeter player..Great pick up for LSU
5) Tharold Simon
Maybe the best pure Athlete in state. I think at his size and cover skills if he doesnt pan out at WR, then forget DB. This kid can play at 215 and be a Sam Linbacker and make millions one day. He is a perfect matchup agains TE's and can be a valuable asset
Most underated guys
1) Eric Thomas. Second best receiver in state
2) Houston Bates (yes HOuston Bates) Most Versitle player in Louisian.Can project in 3 positions.
3) Taylor Burch. In big games may be top 5. Has the skills to watch for
4) Seth Ancar. If i was a college coach in Louisiana, with one week before signing day. He would be first guy i visit. Maybe the best football player i saw all year
5) Curtis Carter.. Projects to me as best special teams KR/PR in this Louisiana Class
Cant Miss guys ( guys who will have great careers)
1) Ronnie Vinson
2) Tyrann Mathieu
3) Brandon Jackson
4) Jarret Fobbs
5) Elliot Porter
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Posted on 1/29/10 at 1:33 pm to seinfeldtiger
how do you watch Brandon Jackson's film and call him a can't miss?
This post was edited on 1/29/10 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 1/29/10 at 1:43 pm to seinfeldtiger
Nice post. Props.
Posted on 1/29/10 at 2:03 pm to seinfeldtiger
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5. Jarvis Landry..
One guy laughed and thought he was watching a old teamate of his..Marvin Harrison
How is Marshall these days?
Posted on 1/29/10 at 2:37 pm to Books
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how do you watch Brandon Jackson's film and call him a can't miss?
didnt watch film..saw him in person 3 times. He's D1 ready. He's the only DT, that didnt focus on the bullrush. He plays with his hands and his feet..Since we all cant be at these games. Watch his film, and look for his lateral quickness.
EX. think of Woods and Alexander..They move well when they can run at an angle or straight up field. After that watch them do a End and Tackle twist. You gonna see what i mean.. Jackson, is the best at lateral quickness and upfield quickness of any DT's ive seen this year. Therefore, he will be a solid pass rushing DT, not a bullish run stopper..
Posted on 1/29/10 at 2:44 pm to seinfeldtiger
Good evaluation and thanks!
Posted on 1/29/10 at 2:51 pm to seinfeldtiger
Sorry, but just going off his highlights and how slow LSU played him, no way is Jackson a can't miss guy. He's got great size but looks slow and unathletic. Your comparison of Landry to Marvin Harrison doesn't makes sense either, they're ab as opposite as you can get w/ regard to playing style.
Posted on 1/29/10 at 2:58 pm to Books
Brandon Jackson unathletic?? 
Give me 3 reasons why Jarvis Landry isnt comparable to Marvin Harrison. Did you See Harrison play at Syracuse?...Let me guess. Landry is way more physical right???..Dont bring that garbage to me on here
Give me 3 reasons why Jarvis Landry isnt comparable to Marvin Harrison. Did you See Harrison play at Syracuse?...Let me guess. Landry is way more physical right???..Dont bring that garbage to me on here
Posted on 1/29/10 at 3:02 pm to seinfeldtiger
quote:slow and unathletic
Brandon Jackson unathletic??
quote:yes, and Harrison was much faster
Landry is way more physical right???
Also, since Collins would be the best in the nation as a DT, why did his HS coach switch him from that pos. to OT?
Garbage is calling Eric Thomas the best player in the Dome a month ago
This post was edited on 1/29/10 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 1/29/10 at 3:04 pm to seinfeldtiger
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EX. think of Woods and Alexander..They move well when they can run at an angle or straight up field. After that watch them do a End and Tackle twist. You gonna see what i mean.. Jackson, is the best at lateral quickness and up-field quickness of any DT's ive seen this year. Therefore, he will be a solid pass rushing DT, not a bullish run stopper..
this proves to me I know nothing at all about talent Eval.
When I watch Jackson, he moves his feet like he was walking on the moon...it looks real sluggish to me.. A slower Al woods...just not that impressive to me
conversely, look at this kid JC from Georgia..
what do you see in him... To me he is way more athletic than Jackson.?.. I see a hint of Ware of the Dallas Cowboys...explosive off the ball. don't you have to be athletic to bull rush?
Woods and Alexander were not big bull rushers...more big body space eaters to stop the run...that is what I remember about their careers...Has Woods ever had a sack?
Posted on 1/29/10 at 3:08 pm to Books
you lose...You think landry is great because he's physical...ill fill you in on a secret. that means jack sh-t..lol His hands,vision, and screen ability is very comparable to Marvin Harrison..
If i was a high school coach why wouldnt i put my best player at the most important position on the field (LT)? Im not saying he's not a dominate LT. IM saying he could grade higher at DT (which is amazing for how high his grade is at LT) His lateral quickness is off the charts for a guy his size.
If i was a high school coach why wouldnt i put my best player at the most important position on the field (LT)? Im not saying he's not a dominate LT. IM saying he could grade higher at DT (which is amazing for how high his grade is at LT) His lateral quickness is off the charts for a guy his size.
Posted on 1/29/10 at 3:16 pm to seinfeldtiger
I usually just read this board for the info cause i have nothing of substance to contribute(something more of you should try) but sorry, I gotta say, this thread is like watching Rocky and Apollo go at it.... 
to both of you.... 
to both of you.... Posted on 1/29/10 at 3:18 pm to seinfeldtiger
quote:Where did I say that his physicality is all that makes him great? show me. It's that w/ his other traits that makes him great. Harrison was a finesse player that did all those other things. Now being a physical WR is worthless? GTFO w/ this bullshite
.You think landry is great because he's physical...ill fill you in on a secret. that means jack sh-t..lol His hands,vision, and screen ability is very comparable to Marvin Harrison..
quote:His HS coach that worked w/ him for years thought he'd be better at LT
If i was a high school coach why wouldnt i put my best player at the most important position on the field (LT)? Im not saying he's not a dominate LT
quote:
"I came here looking to play defensive tackle," Collins said. "Coach felt like I was better at offense and I played right tackle as a freshman.
Posted on 1/29/10 at 3:21 pm to ApexTiger
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conversely, look at this kid JC from Georgia
Never saw him play..coudnt tell you
[quote]explosive off the ball. don't you have to be athletic to bull rush?
NO, just shows you stay low and u can extend your arms and play strong..Its not a technique that u use a lot cause you will be worn out by second quarter. The differnce between a good bullrusher and non bullrusher (woods) is at somepoint, you need to get off the block..lol... Woods seems to not get off the blocks. Therefore, any olineman wins if dtackle dont get off blocks.
Woods is an big time athlete at that position, thats what makes it even more crazy he couldnt dominate. A lot of this has to do with coaching. People lauged at Mel last spring when he said once francois gets coached he's gonna be better
As for Jackson, he may not be a better athlete then woods..whats sad is i saw him SQUEEZE, and Move LATERALY better then woods and Alexander did.. That was my point, they seem to be different players inside. More a Nevis or Downs type player..
Posted on 1/29/10 at 3:22 pm to ApexTiger
Seinfeld, having been a lurker on different sites for many years, I really enjoy your input and find it very informative. You seem to have some genuine knowledge on the subject of talent evaluation, opposed to the typical message board "knowledge" some people throw out after they regurgitate it from another website. Don't let idiots on this board get under your skin and cause you to fade away like so many previous informative posters have. I've learned more from your posts today than I have learned in almost 5 years of reading some other "guru's" posts on this board, even going back to his days on TB.
Posted on 1/29/10 at 3:32 pm to seinfeldtiger
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seinfeldtiger
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Books
You two are providing nice insight into the prospects. But you two should also remember that this is an inexact science. Two people, both who know what they are talking about, can disagree on some prospects. That shouldn't diminish each other's views. No need to get into a pissing match as you are both on the same team, so to speak.
Can't we all just get along?
Posted on 1/29/10 at 3:33 pm to Deaux-nut
I grew up in San Diego but always been a LSU fan as my dad went school there after graduating from Jesuit in New Orleans.
Before we watched his film a week ago, seeing on TV and live against Hahnville, i thought Landry reminded me of more a Larry Foster or David Palmer type player. Quick off the line and good speed, with abiltiy to go deep. When they said Marvin, it made sense. His ability to read the screen at this level is huge. Its not as easy as it seems at the WR position. Thats how Marvin, played at Syracuse..He came into being a possession receiver with colts after time.
I just see Landry being the best perimeter player in louisiana in some time.
Before we watched his film a week ago, seeing on TV and live against Hahnville, i thought Landry reminded me of more a Larry Foster or David Palmer type player. Quick off the line and good speed, with abiltiy to go deep. When they said Marvin, it made sense. His ability to read the screen at this level is huge. Its not as easy as it seems at the WR position. Thats how Marvin, played at Syracuse..He came into being a possession receiver with colts after time.
I just see Landry being the best perimeter player in louisiana in some time.
Posted on 1/29/10 at 3:35 pm to seinfeldtiger
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Thats how Marvin, played at Syracuse..He came into being a possession receiver with colts after time.
Having Peyton throw him the ball didn't hurt, huh?
Posted on 1/29/10 at 3:39 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
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But you two should also remember that this is an inexact science.
Hey, while working with Chargers scouting i thought Junior Seau was too wreckless and out of control and played with no discipline and wouldnt cut it..lol your exactly right not a science at all.
I didnt know him and I were argueing..sry books if it came out that way
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