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re: Are we recruiting Cam Sims?
Posted on 7/14/13 at 2:51 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 7/14/13 at 2:51 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Why don't NFL teams draft Kickers in the first round?
Same reason RBs aren't being taken in the first round anymore
They are a dime a dozen, and there's plenty enough that are talented that can just be plugged in behind a good offensive line and produce
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Posted on 7/14/13 at 2:53 pm to Cousin
Cousin, please don't bring up the Russell Ersleben (sp) 1st round pick by the Saints....ranks right up there with Ryan Leaf and J Russell. 
What was the old saying by Saints fans after his obvious and monumental bust with them? Oh yeah, I believe it was "he tried to commit suicide but the shot went off to the side."
What was the old saying by Saints fans after his obvious and monumental bust with them? Oh yeah, I believe it was "he tried to commit suicide but the shot went off to the side."
Posted on 7/14/13 at 2:56 pm to VermilionTiger
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They are a dime a dozen
ding ding ding.
Hence no need to use a valuable pick or a scholarship in a huge class on one. Invite a couple to walk or maybe offer grey shirts and if one works out then give him a full ride if you need to.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 2:56 pm to CROWN N COKE
Hey Crown, here is what I'm worried about and James Smith said the same thing in chat 2 weeks ago. I asked him if Studrawa is a good OL coach because the results haven't been that great IMO. James responded, "the families and prospects seem to love the guy but what I hear is that he is definitely being used for negative recruiting for OL. The obvious point brought up is why aren't more LSU OL being drafted into the NFL? I don't agree with that point but that is what I'm hearing."
Posted on 7/14/13 at 2:57 pm to Purpleandgold2
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Russell Ersleben
Who??? lol...I wasn't even born yet when he was drafted (1979)...
Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:10 pm to Cousin
What happened in the other thread did someone get the ban hammer?
Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:11 pm to BillyBobfan24_7
I asked the same question in the July camp thread and Vermillion said that 2 people were flaming BH. Not sure who those two are but the thread was deleted
Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:12 pm to Purpleandgold2
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The obvious point brought up is why aren't more LSU OL being drafted into the NFL? I don't agree with that point but that is what I'm hearing
Its used by our fans to rip the guy so it wouldn't be a surprise if its used against us, though I doubt other coaches say stuff like that directly, more like they tout their own success. That aside, LSU hasn't had the high profile guys on the OL. That could be due to poor evaluation or recruiting, but I don't think you can fairly say we've had NFL caliber guys that never played in the league because of bad "coaching' and development". Faulk probably would have drafted, kind of sucks for us, but he did sign, if he sticks we can point to that.
I do agree with people that have said Collins having a big year could really help us and Studrawa's rep. Might not matter either way with Robinson, but going forward.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:14 pm to Cousin
Tubucco was one of them. I knew he was going to mess that thread up. I wish admin could just delete posts instead of destroying the whole thread. :(
This post was edited on 7/14/13 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:15 pm to Purpleandgold2
Both of these points are exactly true.
I worry about the same thing. I do know that Stud is an effective recruiter. The families seem to love him more than the players themselves. But, we need some glamor at the o-line position. The lack of highly drafted o-linemen will continue to haunt us.
Hopefully, La'el can stay healthy and change that. I personally think that Frank Wilson should take a more active role in North Louisiana and help Stud out a bit....especially with recruits as important as Robinson.
I worry about the same thing. I do know that Stud is an effective recruiter. The families seem to love him more than the players themselves. But, we need some glamor at the o-line position. The lack of highly drafted o-linemen will continue to haunt us.
Hopefully, La'el can stay healthy and change that. I personally think that Frank Wilson should take a more active role in North Louisiana and help Stud out a bit....especially with recruits as important as Robinson.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:26 pm to CROWN N COKE
This is not a Robinson thread. How many players committed to Clemson last year off of a team chasing the DE that later decomitted and ended up at Ole Miss with his brother? Did they get played? Sims is good enough to stand on his own. But honestly, the number 1 player in the country is not sitting back waiting to see who will offer one of his best friends. Sims refused to attend a camp and other events for La.s best players at LSU. He might not want to go to LSU. He knew that the coaches wanted him at their camp so they could evaluate him. Was it our coaches fault if he chose not to attend? I hope he goes somewhere and makes a name for himself. LSU only has 25 scholarships. At one time I questioned taking a punter or kicker, but I have changed my mind. Ask Bobby Bowden about not having a good field goal kicker.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:26 pm to CROWN N COKE
Yeah, I think everyone agrees that LSU needs to start putting guys into the NFL along the OL...doesn't really matter whose fault it is. Because LSU fans like to point out DBU and DLU, which is fine and accurate. However, you have to know if you fail at certain areas for the NFL even if sunspots cause it, it WILL be used against you.
Oddly, LSU isn't that bad I don't think if you look at the SEC all conference teams...Blackwell, Black, etc. But C Black due to bad knees or whatever, NOT drafted. Blackwell, NOT drafted. Perhaps, the LSU staff should bring a list of the OL that have made 1st and 2nd teams all SEC....list of NFL draftees, not so much.
Hey as far as "helping out" I guess you saw where Coach Miles and maybe some others called up and wished Cam Robinson's grandmother a happy birthday. I thought that was CLASSIC PR at its best.
Doubt it will sway him in his final decision, but LSU fans SHOULD remember that "going the extra mile" deal. My guess is the midget would cut in front of that same grandmother at the local gas station paying for gas.
Oddly, LSU isn't that bad I don't think if you look at the SEC all conference teams...Blackwell, Black, etc. But C Black due to bad knees or whatever, NOT drafted. Blackwell, NOT drafted. Perhaps, the LSU staff should bring a list of the OL that have made 1st and 2nd teams all SEC....list of NFL draftees, not so much.
Hey as far as "helping out" I guess you saw where Coach Miles and maybe some others called up and wished Cam Robinson's grandmother a happy birthday. I thought that was CLASSIC PR at its best.
Doubt it will sway him in his final decision, but LSU fans SHOULD remember that "going the extra mile" deal. My guess is the midget would cut in front of that same grandmother at the local gas station paying for gas.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:31 pm to rickyh
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Ask Bobby Bowden about not having a good field goal kicker.
Ask Lou Holtz at his last coaching job at S Carolina. The guy has adamantly admitted not offering scholarships to kickers but ironically that destroyed him at South Carolina. The call-in shows were livid one year after their punter averaged about 30 yards per punt and their FG attempts were out of a Keystone Cops movie. Everyone TALKS special teams but LSU is one of the few schools that actually walk the talk.
BTW, I guess you saw LH's statement 2 years ago after the LSU - Alabama November game. "I don't think a FG should decide an overtime game."
Soooo, in other words, Louie, certain methods of scoring only count in certain instances. Love to hear his theory about safeties deciding an overtime game?
Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:47 pm to Purpleandgold2
all the national experts always point out that the recent SEC dominance is widely attributed to the quality of kickers in the conference.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 4:18 pm to rickyh
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Sims refused to attend a camp and other events for La.s best players at LSU. He might not want to go to LSU. He knew that the coaches wanted him at their camp so they could evaluate him. Was it our coaches fault if he chose not to attend?
Dude....for the third time, I'M NOT BLAMING LSU!!!
I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. I'm merely stating that our NOT recruiting Sims is hurting us with Robinson...and it is. I know this for a fact. Is it enough to push Robinson elsewhere....hell if I know. I'm only saying that our sour relationship with Sims, NO MATTER WHOSE FAULT IT IS, is a negative factor in our recruitment of Robinson.
And in a recruiting race that is this close, I don't want any factors working against us. If you think it is no big deal....then GREAT!
Posted on 7/14/13 at 4:37 pm to Purpleandgold2
We simply have not had the talent on the oline people think we have. Hurst, lonergran were middle pack 3 stars coming out. Ranked anywhere to low 30's to mid 60's at their position. Faulk was top 10 and would have been a 1st rounder if he stayed healthy.
This year our oline will be the best in the miles era. La'el, Alexander, turner were all top 10 recruits at their position.
Barksdale, Blackwell, davenport were all dlinemen. We had some highly rated guys jump ship in 07, we are just now recovering. But we absolutley need some great tackles for pass protection. We have pocic, and la'el. But cam rob would be crucial. I mean, it is what it is. Now Bama for example should have a steady stream of oline in the first and second round with how they are recruiting. But well, they haven't. And they have kicked our arse in oline recruiting, yet ours is considered on par with bamas for the most part. We have road graders and maulers for days, we need athletic freakish tackles!!!!
This year our oline will be the best in the miles era. La'el, Alexander, turner were all top 10 recruits at their position.
Barksdale, Blackwell, davenport were all dlinemen. We had some highly rated guys jump ship in 07, we are just now recovering. But we absolutley need some great tackles for pass protection. We have pocic, and la'el. But cam rob would be crucial. I mean, it is what it is. Now Bama for example should have a steady stream of oline in the first and second round with how they are recruiting. But well, they haven't. And they have kicked our arse in oline recruiting, yet ours is considered on par with bamas for the most part. We have road graders and maulers for days, we need athletic freakish tackles!!!!
Posted on 7/14/13 at 5:24 pm to JayKrewe
Nice little sarcasm but it certainly hasn't been WRer either. If you listen to the announcers and the other coaches around the country, they all say the same thing...defense in general and pointing to one particular unit...it is DL that puts the SEC above the others.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 5:33 pm to dreaux
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We simply have not had the talent on the oline people think we have. Hurst, lonergran were middle pack 3 stars coming out. Ranked anywhere to low 30's to mid 60's at their position. Faulk was top 10 and would have been a 1st rounder if he stayed healthy.
This! Even the ones who really panned out were not high profile recruits...like Ciron Black for example.
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This year our oline will be the best in the miles era. La'el, Alexander, turner were all top 10 recruits at their position.
Might be a reach on Turner (#14 OG on Rivals) but Collins #2 OT and Alexander #11 OG on Rivals
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Barksdale, Blackwell, davenport were all dlinemen. We had some highly rated guys jump ship in 07, we are just now recovering.
Right on those players, and I wonder like you do on the jump ship guys. Loadholt and J Jones started at OU but how good were they really? Matt Allen started at A&M I think but how good was he really? Singleton and McCoy went back to their home states but don't know what they did after that. Shaw never developed into little more than a spot player. I have said for years that when someone says "oh, if we only had a QB, we have elite players everywhere else". I mention OL every time and of course shall I utter the 2 words that probably will get me banned here.
"T-Bob Hebert". He was actually the 1st guy off the bench one year on the OL. Are you kidding me!!!Posted on 7/14/13 at 5:38 pm to Purpleandgold2
Lets not forget Evan Washington. He was pretty highly rated...just keeps getting hurt.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 5:52 pm to dreaux
Yep, Rivals had him #25 OT and #207 overall. He is from my general area so I especially root for guys like him.
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